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Joe Woodbury wrote:
This is the fatal flaw in Agile; sprints don't allow for proper testing.
After having worked under an agile regime for ten years, and seen testing growing from a developer left hand activity to a well organized and maintained automated setup, I cannot agree. Test plans are set up for nightly builds, for different phases of the release (to customers) process, and for stress testing and other special test setups. Having a fully automated test set up is of course a great advantage - agile organization or not.

There is nothing about sprints that prevents nightly test builds. The test team sprint schedule is independent from that of the development teams, so they can freely e.g. run stress testing, and develop revisions of the test setups, as if it were "ordinary" software.

Even though we have seen lots of test frameworks claiming to handle GUI testing, they rarely work very well, in particular if the user dialog changes every day. But if your application is properly designed, you may peel off the thin GUI layer to let the test framework interface at the topmost functional level, and the entire application logic may be tested. The problem is that lots of web applications are not properly designed, with lots of application logic inseparably mixed with low level presentation elements. That's a problem created by JS and web application development frameworks, not by agile environments and sprints.

You may be thinking of other aspects of testing that I am overlooking. But we have several major projects all running sprints, and all running regular (automated) testing. So at least some (I'd say 'quite a lot of') proper testing can very well be done within an agile sprint-based development environment.
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