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GeneralRe: The role of testers in an Agile organization Pin
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Your patronizing post is extremely irritating. I never said nor suggested that testing is not a highly professional, skilled profession. I have repeatedly stated my position on Code Project that the lack of respect for testing has had a negative impact on software.

Automated testing is useful, but should largely be seen as part of the engineering/build process; that is, testing will not be involved if a build doesn't pass the post build testing.

I agree that software can be often structured to facilitate testing. I am a strong advocate of this, even in embedded systems with hardware dependencies. However, I've also observed over confidence on this automated testing; that passing automated tests establish a higher level of quality that they do.

The problem with Agile and testing is that if done strictly, developers will be left idle as the testing is completed since a sprint cannot be finished until the specified tasks pass testing. Alternatively, testing will be rushed at the end of the sprint. This became such an issue at one company where I worked, that several of us engineers and testers proposed creating offsetting development and testing sprints. This was rejected since it violated agile.

Several years ago, I worked at a company where the team I was on didn't follow agile. The team sitting next to us followed it exactly. We delivered our work on time with extremely few bugs. The agile team had a horrendous backlog and missed every deadline. A big problem was trying to fit testing into sprints; and then fixing issues exposed during testing.

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what prevents the deliveries of a sprint to be handed over to a test team
You just answered your own question.
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