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markrlondon13-Apr-20 20:37
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markrlondon15-Apr-20 0:20
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Mark_Wallace wrote:
markrlondon wrote:
They have massively shaped expectations.
... of mobile phones.

No, the key point to remember is that non-technical end users (it doesn't matter if they are corporate employees, SOHO users, or home users) don't differentiate. It doesn't matter whether it's a phone or a desktop or a laptop or a tablet or their tv. It's all the same to them.

The world has moved on.

To say that...
Mark_Wallace wrote:
  • Most mobile phones are used almost exclusively for social purposes, viewing media/playing games while not at home, and as phones.
  • Most computers are used almost exclusively for getting work done, viewing media/playing games while at home, and a comparatively small amount of non-work-related social purposes.

... is no longer largely true. Phones are used commonly for work and laptops/desktops are used commonly for talking to the family, playing games, watching movies, etc.

The point is that it is anachronistic to try and differentiate as you do above. It is a difference that has largely been eliminated and is being further eliminated every day.

You're comparing a family car to a truck, and saying that trucks should be redesigned to be more like family cars.


If by "truck" you mean either pickup trucks or SUVs, then in fact they can and do make excellent do-everything family cars.

I was of course talking about computers (in all their forms) and not vehicles but if you want to compare computers with vehicles then we do in fact see a similar phenomenon: What were once specialist vehicles (e.g. pickup trucks and SUVs) have become mainstream family vehicles in many cases. I.e. Where once there was a difference, that difference is being eliminated by the progress of events.

Mark_Wallace wrote:
It just doesn't work that way, no matter how much microsoft wants to believe it does.


And yet we see it every day. I can't understand why you are denying what is self-evident every day, i.e. that there is no longer a fundamental difference in end users' minds between one sort of computer (a mobile phone) and another sort (laptops or desktops). Sure, the form fact is different but it is obvious that they are both capable of a range of tasks, both business and pleasure, and thus people really do expect that.

As I say, the world has moved on. Fixed differentiations are no longer valid.

By all means, a desktop computer should not have a mobile phone UI and a mobile UI is not suitable for a desktop computer, due to the differences in form factor. But bland details of UI are not what we're talking about here.

And no, I don't work for Microsoft. But I do provide technical support for a range of users of varying types. And I can tell you that they see no reason why Windows should not work more like their phone. Like it or not, that is the reality that desktop/laptop OSes (Windows and also Linux) must adapt to.
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