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So, is it just me or does Microsoft Loop look like a gound up re-work of OneNote? Microsoft Loop: Collaborative App | Microsoft 365[^]
Many of the core facilities of Loop were already available (admittedly by somewhat dubious pathways) in OneNote (real-time collaboration, embedding of documents and web pages, live sketching/writing sharing etc) albeit in a much 'clunkier' UI.
However, with a little investment, OneNote could IMHO have become a fantastic real-time collaboration tool without the need to be permanently on-line (something that is only possible on a small percentage of the world's surface despite what MS, Governemnts, telcos etc tell you) -improved handwriting tools and better recognition, plus the ability to properly embed/edit PDFs would have got it very close to the Loop feature-set, adding a code window linked to git, VS (locally hosted or on-line) or other dev environments would have got it the rest of the way.
I did try to log in to the discussion forum provided (which had no comments when I tried), but I got an 'unknown error', all of which rather sums up the whole mess of Teams/OneNote/Loop/Sharepoint etc - tools which all seem to provide lots of advantages if you can get them to work, but only seem to work in certain very tightly specified environments that most smaller orgs etc do not, and cannot, run cost-effectively.
I have relied on OneNote almost since it first came out (Desktop not APP version) but recently, after extensive research for something with a better feature set re handwriting/PDFs etc) have switched to Nebo Nebo[^] , which does everything and more that OneNote did, across multiple platforms, is still being actively developed, and still allows for off-line working and later sync. THe only drawback for me really is the 'app'-like UI, but I can live with that...
I'd be interested in hearing what you think!
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onenote desktop team in ms was maybe three people....also now that things move to app format... desktop = stop
Caveat Emptor.
"Progress doesn't come from early risers – progress is made by lazy men looking for easier ways to do things." Lazarus Long
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Indeed so - that was my point (I think!). OneNote could have become much more, but was effectively abandoned (probably for good reason, at least from the MS company culture viewpoint). If you have to start over with Loop, then that's fine for new teams etc, but for us oldies with years of project notes etc already, it makes more sense to move to something that allows us to retain/migrate our existing workflow etc.
As almost always happens with MS (and indeed most large orgs) the attraction of the shiny and new is greater than the consideration for what has gone before and so long-term customers are, once again and at best, simply not considered.
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onenote was interesting and it tossed out some new ideas. I've been looking for an electronic engineering notebook for decades, and I actually had hope for one note - nah. It just got too clunky. Worse, somehow Microsoft managed to shove their head up where the sun doesn't shine and start indexing folders everywhere. This irritates the living daylights out of me because I use SVN heavily. So the stupid little files show up yada yada yada.
Microsoft does do some interesting work, but they always seem to manage to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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I am so installing Unix.
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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I'm not sure if this is by design, or a bug.
I created a new WPF project & solution. I added 4 previously existing projects, which all have their own repos, to the solution. I then added a couple of new class library projects to the soltion.
When I open the Git window, it shows the 4 previously existsing repos, but there is no repo for my new app. How do I add my new solution, WPF project, and class library projects to Git using VS?
If I remove the 4 pre-exising projects, and close & reopen the solution, then there is an menu option to create a repo for it. But then I have broken refs and have to fix those & commit.
This can't be right. What am I doing wrong here?
In theory, theory and practice are the same. But in practice, they never are.”
If it's not broken, fix it until it is.
Everything makes sense in someone's mind.
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You'll have to create a new repository for the new application.
File->New->Repository
The difficult we do right away...
...the impossible takes slightly longer.
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That created a new repo ib Git, but nothing appears local. The remote has no files in it either.
[UPDATE]
You have to set the Local Repository path. It sets it My Docs, which created an empty repo there. Once I changed it to my app's directory, it worked fine.
Thanks
In theory, theory and practice are the same. But in practice, they never are.”
If it's not broken, fix it until it is.
Everything makes sense in someone's mind.
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Seems that the Internet Archive (The Wayback Machine) are undergoing a DDoS attack. The only possible reason I can think of for that is there is some company or gov that has something to hide.
I often find myself going to the Wayback Machine to verify what a big corporate once said.
That sources of history are being attacked is worrying, to say the least. What can we as a group do to protect a verifiable source of truth?
Here's one suggestion: Help them to go distributed.
I'm an old veteran programmer (35 years), and am mostly out of it now, although I still do some DB and embedded stuff, but I'm not up on the recent stuff.
We need people to step up and help protect the history stored by the IA and the WBM, or bad actors will erase it, or prevent access to it. Can you say 'George Orwell' ?
(@ the guy who writes the subtitles to all the headlines to CodeProject news... you rock!)
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Trellian wrote: the guy who writes the subtitles to all the headlines to CodeProject news... you rock!
That would be, the one and only Kent Sharkey[^]
"the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment
"Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst
"I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle
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I go there quite often, wouldn't want to see anything happen to them.
If you can't find time to do it right the first time, how are you going to find time to do it again?
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George Orwell
Caveat Emptor.
"Progress doesn't come from early risers – progress is made by lazy men looking for easier ways to do things." Lazarus Long
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Probably all the LLMs collecting source material 
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subject obviously stolen...so let continue stealing
When in the Course of human events, it
became noticeable that society is not willing to manage itself
smart layers will see the money making opportunity and make rules and laws.
In my opinion, each and every AI assisted text , message , chat ( especially ) etc
MUST be required , by law, to be identified as such:
"This was produced by/ with an aid of AI, caveat emptor "
This rant was not build using AI ( can you tell ?)
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Trouble is that that's like having an "Are you 18?" page on a naughty website with two buttons: "I'm 18 or over, let me in" and "I'm under 18, I'll go away now" and expecting anyone ever to press the second one ... 
Since we don't have any proper real-world identification with the internet, many feel free to do or say what they want: plagiarise from people or AI, troll, or attempt to destroy. Who is going to arrest them if the AI is in China and he hands it in as his own work in the USA?
Laws that can't or won't be enforced are worse than useless - they undermine the fabric of "real laws".
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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It could be a requirement of the code that all copy/pasted material include an indelible "watermark". So to use it without the mark, you'd have to type it out yourself.
Of course this would usher in another challenge of creating apps to remove the watermark, but with this logic, why bother with even locking your doors?
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