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Espen Harlinn wrote: If that's the case, then I'm not surprised that they're having severe problems.
My understanding is that it's only used for the front-end web page serving, and the actual problems are with the back office portion.
Espen Harlinn wrote: Personally I feel that the biggest problem with Ruby on Rails is that it can make incompetent developers look moderately competent
Sadly true, but also true of everything Microsoft has been pushing for the last 10+ years as well.
Having worked with RoR for a year now (my 1 year anniversary with this technology is actually tomorrow!) I cringe at the coding that I've seen, but no less so than the coding horrors I see in other languages, when it comes down to it. So, like usual, it's not the technology but the people, and it doesn't matter if it's Ruby, VB, C, C++, or whatever else. If you look at my Ruby code, you'll see that I avoid the hacks and monkey patches, stick to good OOD principles, keep my functions small and well documented, etc.
Marc
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Quote: My understanding is that it's only used for the front-end web page serving, and the actual problems are with the back office portion.
Out of curiosity do you have some sources on this? I would like to know why this happened.
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Kenneth Haugland wrote: Out of curiosity do you have some sources on this? I would like to know why this happened.
Gads, googling obamacare with "ruby" or "rails" is providing useful stuff anymore. There was a GitHub project that was supposed to be the open source side of the website, and there was some article I was reading a week ago or so that mentioned that it was the front end. Sorry, finding pertinent links now is failing my google-fu.
Marc
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Quote: Sorry, finding pertinent links now is failing my google-fu.
That was my problem too after some searches, and most of the comments here (and elsewhere) are speculation and general possible problems that people have see before. I would like to know what actually happen before I pass judgement on the project, but that seems like a tall order right now
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Marc Clifton wrote: Sorry, finding pertinent links now is failing my google-fu.
Did anyone say "cover-up"? Seems somebody has been amazingly skilled at removing information related to the project ...
Marc Clifton wrote: I was reading a week ago or so that mentioned that it was the front end.
When Ruby on Rails is used as the front end - I guess we can make some assumptions as to the maturity of the back end ... and I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out that the average age of the team members is less than 30 ...
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Thanks Marc, I'll certainly have a look at the information
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Marc Clifton wrote: keep my functions small and well documented, etc.
Like a professional
Marc Clifton wrote: hacks and monkey patches
Yes, it often seems that a certain class of, ehrm, developers could easily be replaced by Google search - it would be a huge improvement if they actually cared to read the blogs they are copying code from ...
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Espen Harlinn wrote: Yes, it often seems that a certain class of, ehrm, developers could easily be replaced by Google search - it would be a huge improvement if they actually cared to read the blogs they are copying code from ...
I'm working on a web-based database "spider-UI" and I'm still learning lots about CSS and Ruby, though it gets easier every day. I am amazed at how easy it is to find answers, especially on StackOverflow.
Of course, the interesting thing is, I never had this many questions doing .NET development. Now, I realize that I'm also asking bunches of CSS questions, but still...
Marc
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Marc Clifton wrote: I am amazed at how easy it is to find answers, especially on StackOverflow.
Well, knowing you, I guess you usually keep on reading until you're sure you've gotten the stuff right.
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Espen Harlinn wrote: Well, knowing you, I guess you usually keep on reading until you're sure you've gotten the stuff right.
Actually, I should rephrase my original statement: it's amazing how hard it is to find the right answer because there are so many different answers, and many of them are actually terrible!
Marc
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Well, following this video, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpDtD4eKBB4[^] she now has a dual running system, and can switch back and forth between live ChromeOS and Linux Desktop using a simple key sequence. This isn't a dual boot setup as in traditional shutdown down and reboot setup, both the original ChromeOs and the new Linux desktop are running in parallel.
The whole things continues to be responsive and functional.
Quite a smart setup for such a simple resource constrained £200 device bought a year ago.
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God, but she's soo behind the times!
In this century, you're supposed to do everything with baby blocks.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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It's the police, so unless they have good video showing it I don't necessarily believe their version.
But...if what they say is true:
"One of the deputies twice ordered Andy to drop the weapon, according to a witness, police said.
The teen was about 20 or 30 feet away from the deputies with his back toward them when he began turning around with what one deputy described as the barrel of the rifle rising up and turning in his direction, police said.
One deputy then fired several rounds, striking the boy at least once, Henry said. He was pronounced dead at the scene."
Paranoia? No - not in a nation with a love for guns, and owners who are frequently stupid enough not to secure them where children can't get at them.
What would you have done?
What if it had been real? The headlines would be a lot more dramatic...
The only instant messaging I do involves my middle finger.
English doesn't borrow from other languages.
English follows other languages down dark alleys, knocks them over and goes through their pockets for loose grammar.
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OriginalGriff wrote: What would you have done?
I'd quit for being a giant coward, also a fu*king moron, but I guess it is requirement for the job.
OriginalGriff wrote: What if it had been real? The headlines would be a lot more dramatic...
What the fu*k?
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I mean, "What if it had been a real gun?"
If the kid had turned, and the cops hadn't fired, he could easily have killed them all with an assault rifle (assuming he had any competence with it).
The headlines then would have been "cop killer (13) kills two, goes on spree".
The cops did tell him to drop the weapon twice. If you don't comply with that in the US, then you are indeed a f**king moron. Call it "Evolution in Action".
The only instant messaging I do involves my middle finger.
English doesn't borrow from other languages.
English follows other languages down dark alleys, knocks them over and goes through their pockets for loose grammar.
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Sorry to say, but that is true...
No wonder they have the highest incarceration rates in the world, as it can easily lead to a circle of paranoia. Which is a funny statement in itself, and quite the brain twister, as some paranoia will lead to more paranoia, therefore making the slightly less paranoid normal....
My brain hurts now
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Kenneth Haugland wrote: No wonder they have the highest incarceration rates in the world,
Not exactly sure how that follows but a significant factor in the incarceration rate is the drug policies which are stupid in their own way.
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i though that accounted for around 30% or so?
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OriginalGriff wrote: I mean, "What if it had been a real gun?"
It wasn't. So there is no point in discussing. Having imagination does not justify murder.
If the cops had brains they would take cover if they were scared for their lives. They did not, because they were brainless sociopaths with OBAY-ME-OR-YOU'LL-BE-DEAD attitude.
OriginalGriff wrote: "cop killer (13) kills two, goes on spree".
Still less tragic than this one, not to mention the fact it didn't happen, and it wouldn't happen if cops weren't acting like a mob.
OriginalGriff wrote: If you don't comply with that in the US, then you are indeed a f**king moron.
Call it "Evolution in Action".
Ah, 'evolution' that will create population of obedient slaves, never-question-authority morons like these. I hope you'll get to a chance to enjoy in products of this 'evolution'
I'm actually really embarrassed right now for being on the same internet forum with you.
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Mladen Janković wrote: What if it had been a real gun?"
It wasn't. And how were the cops to know that when staring down the barrel? All this kid had to do was to drop the gun and raise his hands. I find it difficult to have sympathy with people who think (in a land where guns are freely available) that this sort of behaviour is sensible.
Veni, vidi, abiit domum
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Dunno, how 'bout take a fuc*ing cover, then yell "drop your weapon" and see what happens. Seriously you can barely hit anything with AK-47 while you're aiming, much less while the target is behind your back in the cover. It's a risk, but they are paid to take the risk and defuse the situation. Instead they chose the path they are not paid for and escalated the it. If you don't want the risk then quite, don't shoot innocent people.
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So if you think someone has a gun and they refuse to put it down you should hide and see if they actually do shoot anyone before trying to stop them?
“I believe that there is an equality to all humanity. We all suck.” Bill Hicks
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