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Babylon 5?
Cattle-car Garlictica?
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You missed Babylon 5. 
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Babylon 5 - hard to find a close second
. . . reverential gap . . .
Dr Who - the early ones (up through Dr. No. 6) (not the '2005' franchise).
- particularly bad are the xmas specials.
Star Trek - as long as we pretend "Voyager, with Captain Mommy" never existed
- also, anything with "Q" sucks, as well
some up-and-comers include:
Preacher
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W∴ Balboos wrote: anything with "Q" sucks,
Add "or Wesley Crusher" to that.
Some of Voyager was good - particularly after they dumped Kes.
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If you like early Trek, have you seen StarTrekContinues[^]?
It's a little jarring at first, seeing different actors in the familiar roles. But it actually does a pretty good imitation of TOS.
It's also fun looking out for the cameos - James Doohan's son as Scotty; Marina Sirtis and Michael Dorn as computer voices; Colin Baker as an alien; and I'm sure there are several others I've missed.
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I actually posted about it earlier: The Lounge[^]
Only 1 through 8, so far - Mrs. Wife liked it, too.
[And, of course, the remembered to keep the same uniforms]
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Well, never been a fan of Dr.Who.
And don't think Star Trek Voyager is bad because of a female captain (or little boy Crusher_, but I agree, I don't like that Q character either...
In general might also be one of the few people that like both Star Trek and Star Wars. For me, they represent two totally different approaches to life in space. Star Trek as a view as to how humanity could evolve in a couple hundreds of years, with a clear connection of their history back in our current times. Star Wars however is a totally fictitious realm, a long time ago and far, far away, that is from the onset to be a work of fantasy...
Babylon 5 wasn't bad, while Battleship Galactica never really caught my attention, Firefly/Serenity was a bit boring...
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Sure you have missed a lot, but in this case I don't even know if an English version ever existed:
Raumpatrouille Orion[^]
The commander notoriously disobeys orders and is a general pain in the rear for his superiors, but gets away with it (most of the time). Too bad they only made eight episodes, more like a mini series.
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I remember that series well, it was on Dutch television in the seventies I think.
For that time it was fantastic !
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It's a bit dated now, but it was all about the characters and not about special effects.
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I was gifted a DVD set of ORION for my birthday in the late 2000's and I'm pretty sure it was dubbed in Italian, but I have a doubt that some episodes were actually in English and with Italian subtitles.
I'll have to dig it out and check! 
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Orion died because they couldn't match the production speed and spread that Star Trek had, also disadvantaged by being only still in black&white, while Star Trek was done already in color.
But liked such small details as the pencil sharpeners as control elements on the flight control panel... 
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At least they obviously already had ironed out all design flaws.
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Two things:
1) I can't believe I used to watch that ... It was so cheesy!
2) Thanks so much for helping waste time on it yet again.
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In its day Babylon 5 beat them all, but then BSG surpassed it. The only flaw with B5, to my mind (other than the truly dreadful acting by Jeffrey Sinclair in season one - they got rid of him after that thank god) was that the story arc progressed far too slowly...
..and before either of those, of course, there was Blake's 7... now there was a series ahead of its time...
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They didn't get rid of him - he had severe mental problems with delusions and paranoia; he couldn't do series two so Sheridan was brought in (and was indeed so much better).
Most of series one is weak, but rewatching it you notice how much of the future shape of series four was mapped out right from the beginning!
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Gosh, I didn't know that - poor bloke. My only other niggly gripe with the series was that I thought they kind of wasted Susan Ivanova - she was a great character, and the only one with any real sense of humour. I kind of wish they'd made use of her (and that aspect of her) a bit more - if the series had a fault it's maybe that it took itself a bit too seriously.
But I don't mean to be too mean about it - I really enjoyed it at the time, and it was far superior to anything else in the genre at that point.
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They did give her some damn good quotes:
Quote: "Ivanova is always right. I will listen to Ivanova. I will not ignore Ivanova's recommendations. Ivanova is God. And if this ever happens again, Ivanova will personally rip your lungs out.
Quote: Good luck, Captain. I think you are about to go where everyone has gone before.
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A_Griffin wrote: the story arc progressed far too slowly...
What was your hurry?
It allowed characters to develop in a natural way; deviated to events outside of the main plot; and in general, was a work of art with the necessary detail to give it the breath of life.
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Quote: It allowed characters to develop in a natural way
Yeah, but they didn't really, did they? Develop, I mean. Most of them were exactly the same character at the end of series 5 as at the start of series 1. Character development was not a strong point of the show. What made it strand out from other shows was the story arc and that, IMO, was painfully slow at times.
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A_Griffin wrote: Yeah, but they didn't really, did they? Develop, I mean. Most of them were exactly the same character at the end of series
Based upon that comment, it's clear that you've never seen Babylon 5 and are mistaking it for something else.
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I've watched the whole series twice. The only character that really developed any was Lyta Alexander. The rest... nope. They stayed the same from start to finish.
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No, they didn't.
G'Kar? Started a bit of a hate filled buffoon - ended up a spiritual leader preaching peace (who strangled an emperor for very good reasons)
Londo? Two dimensional idiot, who did what he had to regardless of what was going to happen to him in the end.
They all grew as characters into "real people" rather than the cardboard cut-outs you get in most series, particularly science fiction (Dr Who take note).
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