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I have a dual boot setup, Win 7 and Win 10, so when it tries to auto update Win 7, that sorta makes no sense at all. At the very least, the auto upgrade could try and detect if Win 10 already exists on that system.
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How? When you're running W7 the W10 set up is not part of the system. Even if it was possible to read the W10 partition, the presence of W10 files does not necessarily mean that there is an activated and operational installation.
I am not a number. I am a ... no, wait!
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I can think of several ways to verify that a bootable Win 10 partition exists, and that's as a 3rd party developer. I am certain that the creators of the OS would have more native means to do the same.
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Nish Nishant wrote: I can think of several ways
Then I suggest that you code one up and sell it to Microsoft. I have to say that I'm at a loss to see any way that you can remotely probe a computer operating one OS and discover another with complete certainty that it is fully and properly installed and even less certain that if you can you should be allowed to. Wouldn't it be an ideal way to introduce virus or malware to the dormant system without any fear of detection?
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Well, assume there are situations where the Win 10 installation is hidden for some reason, I get that. But if there is a boot entry that points to a windows directory containing a Win 10 installation, I'd expect them to not try and auto update Win 7. Also, any dual boot setup with Windows 10 seems to use a slightly newer (Win 10 specific) boot config. Can't be hard to check for that.
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Nish Nishant wrote: Can't be hard to check for that.
Possibly, I guess. But then it's a matter of willingness. It seems clear that MS is set on wiping all previous versions of Windows off the planet, except possibly virtual machines, so I think you can count on their sympathy for your plight being pretty much absent! For better or worse, their patience with people who can't make their mind up (which is what a dual boot really says about one) is evidently exhausted.
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9082365 wrote: who can't make their mind up (which is what a dual boot really says about one)
Heheh 
Well, I want to use Win 10 but I also want a safe/stable OS to fall back on.
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9082365 wrote: people who can't make their mind up (which is what a dual boot really says about one
WOW. That's really an arrogant statement. I have multiple machines with older OS's on them because I have to test the software I write on those OS's because I have customers that are still using those OS's. I'm guessing Nish is in a similar boat.
Decrease the belief in God, and you increase the numbers of those who wish to play at being God by being “society’s supervisors,” who deny the existence of divine standards, but are very serious about imposing their own standards on society.-Neal A. Maxwell
You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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I concur! I have everything back to DOS 6.22 to have for testing. The DOS is not a dual boot but you get the idea!
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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Interesting, about DOS 6.22. What's that version written in? And do you have that many customers who haven't moved up to a more recent OS?
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I assume it was written in assembler. I kept it to run some old DOS games I had that were fun and I wanted to show my son and some of his friends what games used to be like. That was a few years ago but I still have it on a VM in case I ever need it again.
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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Sounds cool
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Forogar wrote: I still have it on a VM in case I ever need it again
That's the solution.
Ever since I've had a machine powerful enough to run VMs, I've had no need for dual-booting. Or triple. Or more.
I suppose there could still be cases where you need a physical machine, but then, with the number of VMs I rely on, powering it down is a 20-minute job, so if I'm going to constantly reboot something, it's gonna be an older/separate machine anyway.
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TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote: That's really an arrogant statement.
Don't get your knickers in a twist. You're supposed to read it ironically, ie. as Microsoft's point of view, not mine.
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uhuh, sure.
Decrease the belief in God, and you increase the numbers of those who wish to play at being God by being “society’s supervisors,” who deny the existence of divine standards, but are very serious about imposing their own standards on society.-Neal A. Maxwell
You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote: WOW. That's really an arrogant statement.
Well aren't we over sensitive. No need to insult the guy for his opinion. Cheer up, it's Monday - everyone's favorite day of the week.
Jeremy Falcon
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bwahhhhh bwahhhh
Decrease the belief in God, and you increase the numbers of those who wish to play at being God by being “society’s supervisors,” who deny the existence of divine standards, but are very serious about imposing their own standards on society.-Neal A. Maxwell
You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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One sensible reason to only update an operating partition is to make sure it's operational and what state it's currently in. A dormant partition could, perhaps, be destroyed by an update that causes conflicts with active processes that are, for example, hibernating.
Be that as it may - the unstoppable auto-update is my reason for making Win7 my last version of Windows (certainly for my own systems).
| "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein | | "As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert | | "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010 |
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And what about VMs?
It is a bit complicated, to check partitions (that may not visible at all) from inside the OS...
Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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9082365 wrote: heir patience with people who can't make their mind up (which is what a dual boot really says about one)
Not necessarily. This could also be that someone has to support legacy systems and prefers not to deal with the limitations of VMs. I know plenty of people who have to do that.
This space for rent
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Decrease the belief in God, and you increase the numbers of those who wish to play at being God by being “society’s supervisors,” who deny the existence of divine standards, but are very serious about imposing their own standards on society.-Neal A. Maxwell
You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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Not at all.
It's up to the user to detect whether or not Win 10 is on the system.
And, if it is, remove it.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Mark_Wallace wrote: And, if it is, remove it.
LMAO! Very funny! Thanks for the laugh.
I really like Win 10, but I can understand some of the complaints...
Decrease the belief in God, and you increase the numbers of those who wish to play at being God by being “society’s supervisors,” who deny the existence of divine standards, but are very serious about imposing their own standards on society.-Neal A. Maxwell
You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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Mark_Wallace wrote: remove it.
Always happy to cast an upvote.
| "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein | | "As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert | | "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010 |
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The bull in a China shop approach does not infer or include due diligence.
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