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Funny how the rage here where I live in the states, is to adopt the Mediterranean diet, because it is well, healthier than big macs and processed foods. Now the Italians are ditching it (not all, I know)? What is the world coming too? 
Italians lose appetite for healthy Mediterranean diet - Telegraph[^]
I will be faarrrkkkking legless before I am carriedcto the car ftombhere. - Michael Martin - Christmas 2015
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The 'healthy' Mediterranean diet is a myth. Italians have eaten processed meats, red meats, cheese and all the other evil things for just as long as any other relatively wealthy Western people. They also invented deep frying (admittedly in olive oil)!
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The way I see it (since I live an hour from the med) is the diet consists of beer at 9 am, a packet or two of fags a day, more beer and wine at lunch, and more in the evening.
Chuck in a smattering of pastis and red wine, and the odd pizza and that's about it. 
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right, so, where did you mention big macs and processed foods? Except for the stupid cigarettes, everything seems alright.
Americans could do more with red wine and less processed foods (Mediterranean or common sense?). What I got from the article was that more Italians are taking up the stupid, retarded, general American/British diet.
I will be faarrrkkkking legless before I am carriedcto the car ftombhere. - Michael Martin - Christmas 2015
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Slacker007 wrote: big macs
Whats the difference between a big mac and meat balls on pasta with tomato sauce and cheese?
Its the sugar that makes lids fat. That and doing sod all all day except play with nintendos.
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First of all, I would hope that your pasta and meatballs with cheese, is made of real, whole ingredients; Big Macs are not - most of their ingredients are NOT whole, and are processed or derived from processed ingredients.
Since you smoke 1-2 packs of cigs a day, your comments on nutrition are highly suspect, IMHO. 
I have been a diabetic for years, so I know a "little" about nutrition, just a little - enough to keep me alive, I guess. 
I will be faarrrkkkking legless before I am carriedcto the car ftombhere. - Michael Martin - Christmas 2015
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Who says I smoke two packs a day? Its what I see of the people around here. I also don't drink beer at 9 am, unlike them too.
As for a mcdo burger being made of 'unwhole' ingredients which are processed how is this in any way different to the processing applied to wheat to make pasta (also unwhole), or marinaro sauce, also made from ingredients that aren't whole and have been processed. As for cheese, how is 'processed' cheese different to say, parmesan?
Since you are a diabetic you should know that the problem is sugar, not protein or fat.
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Well, I'd like to see the paper of the research/stat, because as far I know we all are still loving pasta and Med-like food very much.
My only guess about those articles is about the price of the "healthy" food, and -yes- that might be the reason for some behavioral change in the population.
Consider that:
* a good EVO (extra-virgin olive oil) is not less that 8-10€/liter (this year we had few olives and the price got higher). Butter is way cheaper that EVO.
* our seas aren't totally "safe" as pollution, and we likely import a lot of fish from the Ocean and the North Sea. Typically, meat is cheaper than fish.
* we have a lot of cheeses, but the best ones are hard to find. A great part of the Italian cheese is made by German milk, but processed in Italy.
As always, those articles sound likely as a provocation (or a favor toward to "unhealthy" diet) rather real information.
For the same reason, I don't believe that "USA equals unhealthy food".
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The United States has healthy food, but it can be expensive, as well, and probably for similar reasons as you have mentioned.
I have two doctors, one from Belgium (studied and lived) and one from good 'ole New York, and both recommend a Mediterranean "style" diet, when possible, versus others that are out there, currently. I don't drink alcohol, so, minus the wine.
I will be faarrrkkkking legless before I am carriedcto the car ftombhere. - Michael Martin - Christmas 2015
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That's what I said (or at least, I meant).
I also believe that both your docs are right.
I really can't comment much more than so (I'm not a medic), but AFAIK the wine isn't bad: as any other thing, your should not abuse.
Red wine is recommended than the white one: one glass a day is a good choice.
Health effects of wine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[^]
Again, the important is to find good wine as well!
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When you see advertisements of healthy food and cooking, it’s usually fruits and vegetables; not meats, breads, cereals, nor pastries. You will see more healthy produce in grocery stores on the west coast of the US at a lower price and not-so-good looking produce at higher prices in stores on the east part of the US. So, yes, it can be more expensive to eat healthy in the US, depending on where you live. It just depends on how close you live to the fruit and vegetable producers.
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EDIT 2 : Important / Interesting
Still have Kaspersky trial on my machine after 5 days or so. Just had a problem editing a document in my Google Drive. Kept saying it was failing / couldn't reach Internet. Couldn't figure it out.
Aha!!! Kaspersky??
Googled the answer and yep,
Google Groups report of Kaspersky blocking google drive.[^]
Changed and fixed, but annoying.
I recently thought I had a virus* so I downloaded Kaspersky Internet Security. It's working well so I was even thinking about buying it.
That's where the interesting thing comes in.
I searched on Amazon.com
Amazon.com: Kaspersky Internet Security 2016 | 3 Devices | 1 Year | Download: Software[^]
You can buy it far cheaper than you can from the real site.
Here's what it looks like when I click the Buy button in Kaspersky trial:
http://raddev.us/images/kaspersky.png[^] $39.99 per year
Why do companies do this? Norton does the same thing. Very odd.
Terrible Win10 Update
*The reason I thought I had a virus? A terrible Win10 update, of course
modified 30-Dec-15 16:08pm.
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Kaspersky IS a virus. Don't trust those Ruskies! 
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Honestly? Have you had problems with their software?
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I certainly had. I was running Kaspersky 2014 before. After upgrading to 2016 they installed a sneaky proxy server and every web page got then scanned and modified by their proxy (in addition to taking like 5 seconds to load every page instead of a few milliseconds). You can't really deactivate this feature. I uninstalled.
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Good to know. Thanks. 
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raddevus wrote: Honestly? Have you had problems with their software?
Absolutely. So many problems that our company finally removed it. Outlook wouldn't work. Visual Studio had problems. It slowed the system down to a crawl.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Agreed. It tries to lock down everything. Good info. Thanks
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It's what I use for the past year for my personal devices. It was ranked as the #1 virus catcher a few years ago.
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Well you Pindos certainly have trust issues. Is that why you spy on most of the world, including your allies and your own people?
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Actually, our government invented FaceBook so that we didn't have to spy anymore. 
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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I don't know what a Pindo is. Could you enlighten me so I'll know whether to be offended or not?
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Russian slang for Americans - something like Ruskies are for Russians in English. Both can be taken as offensive, or not.
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Thanks, I learned a new word and I'll elect to not be offended.
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