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Fair reply. And honestly I very much intend to support her choice, whatever it may be. Its not that I want her to follow my path; I just want her to maximize the God-given potential that is so evident in her. I don't care what she chooses; I just want to help her make a choice that she will be thrilled with (and one where she is likely to find a job she enjoys). Her theatrical aptitude is fantastic; but her technical aptitude is also, and I would like to encourage her not to shun the latter in her ambition for the former.
Why do you assume that the theatrical route precludes the technical? Very odd given the vast range of technology now in use in film, theatre, and television. And does she really need coding to exploit her skills therein, anyway?
Clearly it's nonsense to say that you don't care what she chooses. You obviously do or you wouldn't be asking the question in the first place!
Dude, you don't need to pick a fight. I'm just asking whether extroverts can thrive in a technical job. I presume that they can, but I'm not one, and I don't personally know any, so I would like to hear from those who are or do.
She could, of course, find an outlet for her technical abilities in the theatre. where do her theatrical leanings point? Is she a performer or a theatrical technician with her roots in stage management, props and set, lighting, sound etc?
I've met and worked with lots of introverts. It'll help if you get a job at a "digital agency" that does everything, as there won't just be coders there, but designers, marketers etc.
If you want to see if she is suitable for life as a developer then this is what you do; ask her to paint the exterior of the house from top to bottom, to mow the lawn and the lawns of your neighbours, then clean all the windows of your own house and those of your neighbours. Tell he she has to do it in a single day, and when she's done don't say anything. Don't congratulate her, don't thank her, just say nothing. If never getting thanks or praise for the work you do upsets her, then development isn't for her
When I was in college, one of my classmates was someone who had worked as a night auditor for 8 years... and wanted a career change.
After a couple of years, he realized this wasn't exactly what he wanted, but was able to merge both his past experience and current training... he got a job as the liaison between the accounting department and the computer department as a company.
It takes all sorts: the stereotype of the shy anorak-wearing geek sitting meekly in the corner is long dead. When I first tried to get an IT job I was told I was too extrovert. That was clearly nonsense.
Why, it's her life, let her do whatever she wants. and the chances are that whatever she chooses to major in, she will find other interests as time goes by and could easily end up working in a completeley different field. As with all things in life one learns as one goes along.
Ask your daughter what kind of problem she would like to solve in the world when she'll grow up, or more positive, what would she like to improve in the world.
With that in mind; she will say, i'd like to do such and such, and then tell her or show her what kind of education she will need to achieve her goal.
Let's say she like theater, and she'd like to do weird stage lighting and projections and automate stage configuration, then she could do some sort if engineering (programming, automation, robotics) courses and theater courses.
Let's say she'd like to "end world hunger", then she would need to go into some sort of agriculture and bio-engineering courses.
Let's say she'd like to setup microfinance banking in under developed countries, then she would need to go into finance, and a little bit of international law...
I think you should get the idea by now.
Ask what she would like to do, and then show her what she needs to learn to be able to do that.
There was an extroverted developer on my team a few years back. We're all glad he's gone. Too disruptive.
Having said that, nor does being a developer preclude acting. I was in a community play last fall. One of the other cast members had a degree in theatre, but she wasn't using it. In fact she just moved to Redmond...
Can't really speak for dev jobs around the world, but where I live (Sweden), most dev jobs (especially smaller companies) are NOT cubicles of introverts hammering away anymore. It's very much a team effort, lots of meetings and socializing at the office aswell as after office hours (afterworks, dinners etc). The work environment is based around the idea that the employer provides an office space with different setups (ordinary desks, smaller rooms that you can withdraw to if you need to focus, lounge areas etc) where the employees find the place that suits them the best for the day and just get on with their projects from there. So at least over here it's been a radical change from the days when every developer had their small cubicle where they were to create splendid code by themselves like robots.
I'm pretty extrovert myself and I enjoy life as a systems developer, so I don't think it's an obstacle as such.
To answer the subject question: Yes, software is a career for all types of personalities.
I went to college with a woman who was a music major, she got a BA in Music (can't recall exact focus). Prior to graduation she took a look at the world, and immediately got a MS in MIS. Her day job was working in IS (we worked together for a while) while she taught cello and performed in area orchestras. She got the best of both worlds -- a good living wage AND her music.
Fast forward 20+ years. My son (high school senior) is a tubist, LOVES playing. We discussed his future at length, and he realizes that making a good living from the tuba isn't likely -- other than Deathtongue I can't think of any rock tubists. His plan is chemical engineering with a minor in music. He plans to follow in the footsteps of my old friend, having a good day job while continuing to perform. [Teaching music is out for him, he has no interest.]
A friend's daughter is a dancer. She loves performance and is really good ... but is realistic about the career. Her college major is in business, she's setting herself up to teach and manage her own business, understanding that the long view requires a Plan B beyond performance.
My advice? Talk to your daughter about the realistic view of theatre. Help her research jobs, careers, wages, etc. She has to do this herself, if you do it she may not truly believe it.
Others have mentioned the technical end of theatre -- that might be the best fit, she can enjoy performance while building other options. But in the end, it's her decision. Help her evaluate her choices and ensure she has multiple paths to success.
In my experience I see extroverts thrive better in career than introverts. I see the colleagues that ended up on executive levels to be more extroverts, able for speaking in front of a crowd (something like in theater) and able to communicate well.
I think she would have a good chance on that path, by starting as coder and moving up the executive ladder. I definitely think she should consider it.
Try her, check if she likes to code, one day she might end up in front of a crowd anyway.
But ultimately it must be her choice.
To alcohol! The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems - Homer Simpson
Our heads are round so our thoughts can change direction - Francis Picabia
First, let go of it being a binary choice.
I have been a busboy, bartender, pinjumper, security gaurd, worked a cash register, fast food, and countless other jobs.
My daughter is 16, and very similar to yours. She is a paid tutor at the local university for college kids, and in her second year of full-time college herself. But she just finished her first screenplay, and loves literature. She dreads computing for the same reasons your daughter does.
As a parent, I am MAKING her get a degree in Accounting, and she is getting a second degree in English Literature. One does not go to college/university without acquiring a marketable skill (IMHO).
But that is where I stop. She will have enough skills to feed herself.
Outside of that, I only need to:
A) Teach her right from wrong (done)
B) Teach her Want from Need (almost there... she IS a teenager)
C) Let her know that she is responsible for finding her own way and her own happiness
I think giving your daughter ANY false guidance is a bad idea. We were given children, and our job is to form them into well-adjusted adults before we let them loose onto the world!
Project Managers do well as extroverts. But it's not a fun job.
Personally, I think that you have made a value judgment on the relative worth of one of her skills as opposed to another, and have judged technical skills as being of more value. Why is that? She must make that decision herself.
I have occasionally met people, who are very good at one thing, doing something totally different that they may not even be particularly good at, for their career. I don't have a problem with that. It is possible that their chosen career is what they personally need in this life for their own spiritual growth. My own sons are very good and excited at programming and have decided to major in that in college. I was hoping that they would choose something different and not merely follow in my footsteps, because I wanted them to live their own lives and follow their own path. Sometimes I wonder if they would be interested in something different, if I did that. I do think that there are probably genetically inherited brain characteristics conducive to programming, and they have probably inherited it.
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