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Today in the Insider: Microsoft urges users to stop using phone-based multi-factor authentication | ZDNet[^]
So they're telling me to use app-based authentication, which I'm already doing.
Now I'm using the Microsoft Authenticator for Microsoft, Google's Authenticator for Google (yes, those apps have the same name), my DigiD authenticator for government logins and some other authenticator that I need to login at a customer's... And of course every bank has its own app, including authenticator, as well.
Are all these different authenticators going to be a problem, besides usability?
Can we just standardize on one?
I feel very safe, not knowing which app I need to login. If I don't know maybe hackers don't know either 
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I thought most were interchangeable 
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Apparently at least some, as Richard pointed out below.
The government and bank ones can't, although in the case of my bank I also don't really want to 
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Both MS and Google authenticators can be replaced with Authy[^], which has the added advantage that you can run it on multiple devices at the same time.
That means I can scan the QR code on my phone to add the account, but I don't have to reach for my phone every time I want to log in. And I don't have to panic when changing phones either. 
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined."
- Homer
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That sounds great!
I'll have to try it
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All that seemed to be with the assumption of a SIM in the mix - well I use my land-lines for the places that give me that option. And not one of them accesses my cell phone.
Authentication:
Phone: 6-8 digits, ad hoc, so I'd have to be pretty damn directly monitored, 24/7 for them to even have a chance at it.
EMail: variations from 6 digits to all sorts of thing. US Treasury uses that with a string of mixed characters.
Text: I don't ever do that with anyone or anything = problem solved.
Unless one's phone is bugged, PC infested, and a deliberate target for someone, it's not likely they'll get through. Remember - a recording of the call's number is basically useless except for when it's just given.
Even when that horrid day comes and I must submit myself to the tyranny of a "smart phone", I doubt I'd use it for anything financial. I'd consider it vulnerable and dirty at all times. Just like a spare laptop I have which I consider insecure and won't even log into Yahoo Mail with it.
Security of all of these things will always come down to the same bottleneck: the users.
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W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote: Even when that horrid day comes and I must submit myself to the tyranny of a "smart phone", I doubt I'd use it for anything financial.
Unless the financial institution forces you to do so. There is some that they have the moved the tan-generator as an "Secure-App" and don't offer any other alternative for you to do the things via website, the only alternative you have to do money movements is via call-center with the phone-pin and to call your post / reports is to let them print them and send it to you as paper paying 50 cents / each.
W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote: Just like a spare laptop I have which I consider insecure and won't even log into Yahoo Mail with it.
That's something I am going to do too. I am buying a new PC and my current one will be the "surf the internet" for everything where you don't need to login.
M.D.V. 
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
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... Why does it remind me of QA?[^] 
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It reminds me of my daughter... 8-9 years ago.
How time flies 
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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I didn't raise my progeny in anything like a normal manner (surprise !).
Not scared of the dark.
Loved math. No TV limits for things like nature shows.
Were absolutely dying to learn to read by kindergarten.
And doing homework was a 'given'.
Each got their own outings, separately, on a rotating basis.
The very first tantrum, by the eldest, got the following out of me: "Let me know if you turn blue - I'd like to watch" and I moved on. Roughly, the last tantrum and the siblings seemed to pick up on it.
Worked great for 2 of 3. Third did well with everyone - until she got home.
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W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote: No TV limits for things like nature shows.
Parents limiting watching nature shows don't have a clue
We had borrowed several National Geographic videos at the library, enjoying them a lot. Then we discovered in the childrens' department that NG also has a "Kids" series of nature shows. The photography was at the same level as for the "serious" movies, but overlayed with "funny" animations of comic-strip like figures with high-pitched voices pointing and laughing hysterically, and of course, lots of "joyful" music rather than the nature sounds. We were not halfway through the first one before the girl exclaimed: "Couldn't we rather find something decent, daddy?"
We did watch the NG Kids movies we had taken home, but for later, we stuck to the "decent" ones.
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W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote: Third did well with everyone - until she got home.
Ah, I think I've spotted the mistake.
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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One year's supply of dates? (8)
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Correct - you are up Monday! 
I thought "a nice gentle end to the week", and I liked it.
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I won ! I WON ! Yes ! Yeeeeeees ! My first CCC ever ! After all these years ! Youhouou ! ![Jig | [Dance]](https://www.codeproject.com/script/Forums/Images/jig.gif) ![Badger | [badger,badger,badger,badger...]](https://www.codeproject.com/script/Forums/Images/badger.gif) ![Beer | [beer]](https://www.codeproject.com/script/Forums/Images/beer.gif) ![Java | [Coffee]](https://www.codeproject.com/script/Forums/Images/coffee.gif)
I still cannot believe it. (Thanks Griff for this CCC for toddlers).
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Congratulations!
And you have the whole weekend to come up with your own ...
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OriginalGriff wrote: you have the whole weekend to come up with your own
I am sure you have one as backup, just in case...
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... to the challenge[^], not the technologies I am working with nowadays. But it does really look interesting, and the prizes are awesome. Well done, @Chris-Maunder.
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I've been on a CERN tour - incredible place. And that was long before they build the LHC - I used to have a girlfriend who worked there, so I visited regularly.
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Wow, this sounds awesome. Can you tour as a simple visitor, or are ... special bounds needed ?
/edit: Actually, if the prizes are tours, I think it probably answers my question.
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Depends on how fast you are moving. Close to c you don't even need a passport!
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OriginalGriff wrote: Close to c you don't even need a passport!
Is that the language or the universal constant? 
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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Anyone who has time to whip up an app that's cross-architecture and uses oneAPI is good to go for this challenge. It doesn't need to be rocket science.
I'm going to have a go at using DevCloud and oneAPI to train some AI models we have planned for some of our nefarious schemes. Not sure if it'll work but there's some serious hardware they are letting everyone use so we're going to take advantage of it.
cheers
Chris Maunder
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I told my manager this morning that it's POETS day today but I only managed to get out about 20 minutes earlier. Oh well.
On the plus side, Thursday/Fridays I work from from home so I've saved an over an hours commute.
Used that time to do the lawns which gives me a couple of hours back on the weekend.
Now I'm calling its beer o'clock.
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