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My new car will be about 25K new and I'm leasing it for €360 a month for a five years.
That includes vehicle taxes and insurance and any garage visits I have (although I probably have to pay a part of those).
At the end I'll have paid 22K, but I'll have no rest value.
On the other hand, I'll be able to drive a brand new car in five years time.
Of course buying will be cheaper if I'm keeping it for 10 or even 15 years, but then I'll be driving an old car.
Anyway, I'm choosing lease because it saves me some hassle as well.
The €475 a month is ridiculous so don't use that for any calculations.
Luckily, that'll be over in five months 
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Have a go - spend an hour with the internet and Excel and work out the costs involved in buying the same new and selling (or even trading it in) after three years. (I.e. before any major faults are likely to rear their heads)
You may find it interesting, and possibly even profitable (as well as a new car each 3 years if you want, instead of 5. Even newer, even shinier ...  )
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Yeah, I know.
But costs aren't the issue here 
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It never is when you lease a car
I just want no hassle, deliver that car to my front door, pay for repairs, insurance and tax and in five years replace it with a new one.
That's worth some additional money spread out over five years
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I'm with Griff on this one.
Your five year old car isn't worth 25k - 22k = 3k, it's worth considerably more. Put it into autouncle.nl (or whatever site is the best in nl) and check for yourself.
Also, if you are going to own the car you need to reconsider what brand you want. Go to Reliability Index[^] for some data on cost of ownership, and how often they break down.
I've had a Peugeot 206 once, I'll never do that again, it's the second most expensive car I've had.
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Thanks for the link. Looks promising. 
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It has some limitations one must be aware of though.
The newest cars isn't in the statistics because there simply hasn't been enough of them that has broken down yet.
The values are absolute, I would have liked to compare the costs relative to the price of the car.
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Good to know, thank you 
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I do not know about Euroland, but here most new cars come with free servicing for 3 years and 5 years warranty. Non such risk in buy new, Just the depreciation in the first few years is high, but it tails off after a few years. At 5 years and the depreciation will be relatively small.
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Sander Rossel wrote: I currently drive less than 10K km a year, so my car is literally gathering dust most of the time.
If only it was just dust.
My 13-year old car (it'll be 14 years ago in July I've bought it brand new) still hasn't turned 89,000 km. I've refilled the gas tank somewhere in March, and the time before that goes back to somewhere around Christmas.
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Welsh 111[^] for non Brits
About an hour to try and work out the roadmap to exit quarantine, and the consensus is: I can leave now, Herself can leave in 48 hours - so I'll remain indoors for that time too, I really don't want to risk giving it to others. Apparently, you aren't infectious 7 days after you start showing symptoms, but since we are still both coughing up mucus that seems rather surreal ... this time last week I was fevered, sweaty, coughing up brown stuff, and in real difficulty - there is no way I wasn't infectious!
Then starts the hard work of building back up stamina / energy so I don't worry people unduly by having to stop for a rest as I walk round the supermarket ... 
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 Good to hear that you're both on your way to recovery!
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OriginalGriff wrote: the hard work of building back up stamina / energy
Good excuse for an extra slice of bacon on that burger.
OriginalGriff wrote: Apparently, you aren't infectious 7 days after you start showing symptoms
"Official" guidelines. Any virus caught after those seven days is fined 
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: Any virus caught after those seven days is fined
That was my feeling as well - but clearly only if it doesn't give the Secret Handshake.
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speaking of the supermarket, just saying...
OriginalGriff wrote: ...since we are still both coughing up mucus that seems...
you know they've already done the cartoon(s) where one guy coughs and people inside (or if there is one queue's waiting outside the shops) vanish...
a good 'rattling' cough sure to work,
the checkout folks sure run away so: self checkout or free - your choice.
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1. a deadly or virulent epidemic disease. especially bubonic plague.
2. something that is considered harmful, destructive, or evil.
Synonyms: pest, plague, CCP
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OriginalGriff wrote: but since we are still both coughing up mucus that seems rather surreal
That's usually all the dead crap / waste result of the infection that your body wants to get rid of, but not necessarily containing living viri. It might, but it doesn't have to.
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You can tell that to the other people in the supermarket aisle if you want, but I have a feeling that Security will be asking you to leave the premises pretty tout-suite to be on the safe side ...
I don't want to give this to anyone, or even alarm others into thinking I might have infected them. That's just not fair.
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I think you understood it wrong. I was trying to tell you, "hey, if that's all what you now have, that's not that bad"
Not a "wohoo ![Jig | [Dance]](https://codeproject.global.ssl.fastly.net/script/Forums/Images/jig.gif) , party..." 
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Sorry! PLease put it down to a brain stuffed with dead virii ...
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No need to apologize...
Take care
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