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I'm 2 days away from final retirement from 30+ years as a developer, it is weird feeling that I won't have targets and deadlines and meetings and all the bullshit that goes with the job. I've been working 10 days in a month for the last few months.
I retire to Cairns where there is no IT industry to live on an acreage, not quite a farm, but there is lots to do outside. Looking forward to it.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity -
I'm old. I know stuff - JSOP
You would have to be willing to live in an area where Internet access is basically limited to DSL, HughesNet, or 4GLTE. 5G will not be available here – the low population density and antenna density requirements (and their costs) precludes 5G. To make that worse, cell phone service is spotty. One corner of my wife's ranch has no service except from our WiFi router which is located line-of-sight 0.15 miles away at the house (I know, this seems unbelievable! But, with very few other local radio sources, it is real. ). If you want to watch television, you will need a satellite dish – cable is not available and there are only four over-the-air stations available. You will also need to haul your own garbage, as garbage pickup is not available.
For your children, the nearest high school is almost five miles away. This being Texas, football is big here – over the last 100 years, this high school has produced three NFL players. The local community college is ten miles away.
My local post office is located in a very small town, with one "dollar store," one convenience store and gas station, one restaurant (German) and only one traffic light. That is all.
The nearest large town (population 25,000) has two supermarkets – WalMart and HEB, one liquor store, no new car dealerships, six convenience stores, eleven thirteen fast-food restaurants, four bars, three auto parts stores, two hardware stores, a few sit-down restaurants and not much else.
Working on a ranch is hard, physical work. My wife needs to be a hard taskmaster. There is always the proverbial mile of fence that needs to be repaired. Firewood needs to be cut, split and stacked (we heat with wood). Animals need to be fed, watered, inspected, cared for, and occasionally, hauled to auction. We get paid only when we sell livestock.
On the bright side, we get fresh eggs daily and can grow much of what we eat. Air pollution is minimal. Heavy traffic is three pickups waiting at the traffic light.
You've just described my dream place... I purposely banned TVs from my house. The Internet while being on optical fibre is mostly used for non essential things. Yet we live in a very densely populated area near Amsterdam. The air traffic over the house is horrible, the air stinks and the supermarket food tastes like cardboard most of the time. Even the organically grown food is horrible. And expensive. The organic red bell peppers for instance are packaged individually in plastic and sold for around 1.5 EUR each. You'd think they're gold plated. My car is a 18 years old Volvo which I bought last year. I mostly travel by motorcycle and bicycle. All these while my parents somewhere in Eastern Europe grow a lot of their own food, chop wood for heating and make their own wine. Needless to say they are in better shape than me.
If you are serious, I suggest looking into buying farmland or ranchland here in the United States. By European standards, American farmland is relatively inexpensive to purchase. Think about what you would like to raise, pick an appropriate climate zone and talk to a real estate agent.
You will need to talk to an immigration lawyer about moving to the US. Since Donald Trump became President, the rules have changed only slightly but the interpretation of those rules is very different.
The hardest part of the transition is living with Americans. We tend to be independent, ornery and self-reliant. Think John Wayne. The days of the "wild west" may be over, but the attitudes that settled the West remain. Many of us, especially rural residents, want as little government in our lives as possible.
As a farmer or rancher, you will need to thrive in isolation. My nearest neighbor lives one tenth of a mile away as the crow flies, but three tenths of a mile away, if you take the road. My wife and I feel that he lives too close to us for our comfort.
Farming or ranching is a lifestyle commitment. It is hard work. It is not for everyone. If you are up to the challenge, welcome to our party! It is a lifestyle with its own rewards.
That would be a very bold move on my side. Got a wife and two small kids. Probably it would be hard to get them to the US. I hold a Canadian passport, but they don't. I have traveled in many places in the US and I have a few friends and a cousin living there. I even drove my car from the west to the east coast and California from San Francisco to San Diego. Beautiful country you have. And the few people I met were quite helpful and open.
I am aware of the wild west attitude and I personally don't mind it since I'm likely built the same way. The main issue, immigration aside, is that I don't have any farming experience and I don't have the money to support my family until I can make a farm profitable (if a small farm can be profitable in this day). Now, I'm not one to back down from a challenge, but this might prove to be a bite bigger than I can chew. I'm pretty good with mechanical stuff, so I can probably fix an old tractor, but I never grew anything except my house plants. One of them was a hot pepper plant, so that's how close I ever came to farming.
But you did get me thinking... thanks.
I always liked working with computers, that's why. Started as student, programmed mathematical models for my Doktor-Ingenieur. In Turbo Pascal. Then an Israeli guy wanted to make a start-up in Sofia and invited me to join. Learned for 2 years from the best hackers in town and then moved to Canada. Nobody ever asked me to do anything related to my Mechanical Engineering degree
My first career was programming.
So is my third (and current).
But for 12 years I was in animation and visual effects for film/TV/advertising. My desire to become a filmmaker drove me first. My slightly painful insight of my artistic shortcomings drove me back...
"If we don't change direction, we'll end up where we're going"
How many People have changed careers to a second career in I.T.?
It feels like I do that every time I change jobs. Within I.T.!!!
Explanation (a sample of jobs):
Learn about IT in voter registration and ballot counting.
Learn about IT in satellite design.
Learn about IT in boatyard management.
Learn about IT in gentlemen clubs.
Learn about IT in casinos.
Learn about IT in the insurance business.
Every one of those IT "experiences" was a whole different ball of wax -- different information, different tech, different processes and workflows, etc.
You're all pussies, some of the jobs I have had before I started programming.
Factory drone (not the flying ones)
Then I tried Sales
Computer timesheet plans
That is when found out I was better at coding than selling
Excel Macros (from Lotus 123)
Superbase - Consultant
Access (1st contract)
VB.Net - Winforms
C# Silverlight - I am still pissed it was canned
C# Xamarin Forms - just like WPF but for mobiles
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity -
I'm old. I know stuff - JSOP
Dropped out of studying law
Admin clerk at medical aid
Embedded C developer on PIC and AVG (no one saw that coming, not even me! )
Embedded C developer (upgrade to embedded Linux OS)
iOS developer (still)
I started studying Architecture. I left it after 2 years, because making buildings is not what I wanted. After that, in 1982, I began working for a company as a truck driver and spent 2 years doing that. On December 1984 the company bought a Commodore 64, and nobody knew a bit of how use it. I was young and decided to study it, and after a few months, one of the engineers talk to me for we, both of us, make a software for calculate steel structures. He did the civil engineering and I coded it.
After that I been working in IT for 33 years, passing through Amiga (using AmigaBasic and C), DOS (dBase III and IV, QuickBasic), Windows in the 90's (Visual Basic, C++, Visual FoxPro) and now Windows in 2000's (C++ and C#). Everything in the same company, and at this time I've developed all the software it is used inside (Except AutoCad, MS Office and Paint programs). I've never drove trucks again!
I was a chemist by education and worked as a chemist from 91 to 99 before leaving for IT. I took a job as environmental database manager at an engineering firm. My family had relocated to the DC metro area for my wife's work and I had trouble finding a good job as an experienced BS level chemist. I have actually been a programmer \ developer now for most of my it career. Never looked back, never regretted move, and certainly making way more money than reasonably could expect to make as chemist.
I flunked out of college during Vietnam "Police Action". Joined the Navy. Was sent to Tech school for Computer repair. Worked repairing weapons system on aircraft (controlled by a digital computer - very primitive), and left when my enlistment was up. Went back to college and got my degree in business. I had one course in programming. It was BASIC, and I discovered I was good at it, and that I enjoyed it. Worked as a computer operator/programmer to support myself and my new wife (she has put up with me for 45 years and deserves a medal). My goal was law school and I completed it, got my J.D. and practiced law for 2 years. Had to deal with too many lawyers, so I went back to programming and have never looked back.
Take responsibility for your actions and failure to act when you should have.
Before I began my career in I.T., I was an electrical controls engineer specializing in production machinery startup/debug (i.e.: Allen Bradley programming). Around 2003, that field (in mid-Michigan where I lived at the time) went to crap. I figured that since I was already doing significant work with computers and had several years doing the work "unofficially", it should be an easy transition for me and it was.
Here I am going on 16 years later and while it has been a bumpy ride, I'm still going strong.
Right out of college (Biology major, chemistry minor) I worked in a Clinical DNA diagnostics laboratory (hospital genetic testing lab). Really liked it. Saw a book that came with Microsoft office on the shelf one day "How to program with MS Excel" or some such name.
Hmmm, this could be useful as we used excel to hold data during various parts of sample processing, to feed to liquid handling robots to tell them what to do, calculate and graph data for genetic results that required any calculations, etc. Since genetics moved so fast and there was so much need that the hospital's IT department could NEVER (still can't) keep up with even 1/10 of the work just our lab had a need for, the boss man said yeah, see what you can do.
Soon I, as a lab technologist, was spending all my time building new and maintaining/enhancing "software" (vba based programs that ran within excel workbooks of course). I decided I ought to get a formal computer science degree, and did so while still working in the lab full time.
I moved eventually to the IT department and still work primarily for that same genetics lab, 27 years after I first started work there.
So the "what drove you to do so" was the interest/enjoyment of programming, making highly useful applications that were in need (creating something useful), and better salary.
I'm kind of on the other side. Been developing for 30+ years. Still like the problem-solving bits of it, and it's fun to be shown and learn new technologies, but I no longer need the money and definitely not the stress which comes along with it.
Been thinking (not too seriously at this point) about if there is a more low-stress occupation where I could still get health benefits (lol USA) that I might enjoy for something new.
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