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Microsoft C++ MVP
modified 16-Sep-19 9:31am.
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Was the spade a ground breaking invention?
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Your heart was in that one. It was more important than the club, and you could use it to look for a diamond!
"the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment
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Your argument is not solid enough, it's a veritable house of cards.
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I thought someone would trump that - it was on the cards.
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You guys are two of a kind.
"the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment
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"I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle
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OriginalGriff wrote: I thought someone would trump that I was just biden my time.
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You said that just to harris him, didn't you.
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Yes but it was a downhill spiral. When they hit rock bottom they invented the pickaxe.
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We need a "frustration index" when we log time. On a scale from, say, 1 to 3, which automatically multiplies the logged time by the frustration index. So if we put in 3 hours on a frustrating project and give it a frustration index of 2, the actual time logged is 6 hours, so we can take 3 hours to psychologically recover.
If time cards actually did that, I bet managers would pay a lot more attention to making life less frustrating for developers!
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My current project rates a straight 5. It's a hand-me-down from a competitor who works with our customer, neither one of them knows what they are doing and how they got to the current point nor what has to be done. Documentation is unavailable and what little there is in written form is either outdated or plain wrong.
My role? Developer, system architect, system administrator, documentation writer (for safety certification), system integrator, validator, Terminator (sadly not).
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Yup, you get to use the "multiply the multiplier" button.
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I'm referring to the avalanche of mouth breathers that flood the QA with obvious homework assignments with the just as much obvious expectation that someone will simply solve those for them.
There are so many reasons it is a bad idea... do they think they are the first to think about it? Do they believe their teachers aren't aware of CP and SO (heck if they are like some of mine I believe they themselves graduated thanks to QA)? Do they think we can't recogninze an obvious assignment? Why are they even studying Computer Science if they don't even want to put in the bare minimum of work?
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I'm a believer of the "microwave vs. crock pot generation" paradigm.
"One man's wage rise is another man's price increase." - Harold Wilson
"Fireproof doesn't mean the fire will never come. It means when the fire comes that you will be able to withstand it." - Michael Simmons
"You can easily judge the character of a man by how he treats those who can do nothing for him." - James D. Miles
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den2k88 wrote: Why are they even studying Computer Science Because they think it is a passport to untold wealth. Sadly for them no one told them that they might actually need to do some work.
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Richard MacCutchan wrote: untold wealth
So that's why I'm poor, all the wealth is untold.
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Welcome to the reality of existence.
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And those are the people who managed to figure out how to open a browser and get to CO and SO, not to mention figure out how to post a question.
Some of these people can't figure out how to click the "Reply" buttons!
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They certainly believe they are smarter than the people they are asking for "help" which is an odd thing to do if you think about it ...
And some of them can get quite offensive when they are told we don't do their homework for them.
The ones I love are those that copy'n'paste the whole homework question, demand a full solution, and insist that's it's not homework but a real world problem.
Of course it is: I spend my entire day getting paid to write bubble sort functions ...
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OriginalGriff wrote: Of course it is: I spend my entire day getting paid to write bubble sort functions Fun fact: I actually did spend a day paid for it. Not my fault if the company used decades old software with an incomplete STL library, Boost was forbidden nobody knows why and Internet was limited to CP, SO and Bing (could "surf" using the cached page, with -all images, formatting and active content.
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Since it's well and truly past the time now.
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Err? Didn't this CCC[^]count as a CCC?
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I didn't notice it ...
Pkfox posts without needing a reminder? Isn't that one of the Harbingers of the Apocralypse?
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Can you just push a button or series of buttons or is there a Start menu with a reboot option?
Or maybe it is Up volume, Up volume, Down volume, Down volume, B, A, Select, Start?
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