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My local supermarkets were out of TP for two days -
1,5 almost 2 weeks here... and I was running out of it... X
now the shelves are full again and nobody is buying!
Glad that this moment came here too, endly
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
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weirdest was Australia
- first they laughed at the Hong Kong / Singapore people panic buying toilet paper
- then they did the same themselves: even more crazy/panic stricken ...the police had to step in
- Australia's toilet paper is nearly all manufactured in South Australia. ... a boon for Caxton (Aus' largest manufacturer), they're running 24 hours.
- Singapore / Hong Kong calmed down (quickly): sanity prevailed - not so much Australia - still on.
Thanks for reminding me. I need to stock up on CPUs, memory and diverse I/O chips. Then I can go into Zen mode and survive without food, sleep or any interaction with the dumb contaminated masses for at least half a year. The worst should be over by then.
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
On the more serious side: What could cause you more problems than toilet paper is the water supply breaks down. To keep the ties to the TP: What if you cannot flush the toilet?
One of my city planner friends repeatedly stated as the city planner's ideal that "Anybody should be able to take a leak at their back door without offending their neighbours". In a crisis, that could reduce the water requirements significantly. For the more solid issues, it remains.
Living in a detached house, I have the opportunity to collect rain water in a cistern. So even in the case of a water outage, I will have an opportunity to flush my toilet. (Actually, I think it is crazy that we ordinarity use drinking quality water to flush our sh*t down the drain, but that is the only option provided, at least in this country!)
Around here (Norway) some people install greywater heat recovery systems. (A single guy in a homeowners' web forum repeatedly suggests using water from the shower in the toilet, but he is ignored or turned down.) Heat recovery systems are simple - a buffer tank with a heat exchanger in the outlet. Even simpler: The outlet from shower cabinet heats the cold water supply to your shower mixer.
The ovations are rather subdued. Kitchen/dishwasher greywater is full of fats and other particles, clogging up the heat exchanger, and is nutrition for bacteria (and even rats) in the sewage system. (The fat will get to the sewage anyway, but if you cool it down first, it stiffens and sticks to any surface.) Cleaning the system is a task you will hate. As the article says, using the greywater in the toilet would require an expensive filter/desinfecting system.
Heat recovery is limited. The shower cabinet heat exchanger has no effect until you are halfway through your shower. It contributes only to the coldwater. Traditional Norwegian water heaters were electrical, keeping 200 liter of water at 90-95°C, so coldwater was 2/3 of the mix. Modern heaters are heat pump driven. For good performance, water is kept at 45°C, maybe 50°C (you must raise it to 70°C weekly to kill legionella). Coldwater is at most 10-15% of the mix. If you catch all the greywater, a lot of it is cold or maybe lukewarm. The mix is lukewarm at best, and really isn't useful as a heat supply for anything.
An heat pump hotwater issue: 180 l @ 45°C has less than half the capacity of 200 l @ 95°C. For a large family, it might be on the low side. I will remodel my house this spring, installing a heat pump, but rejected complete greywater heat recovery due to tne maintenance / cleaning issues. Shower / bathtub outlet alone is reasonably "clean", some soap but little fat, and reasonably warm. So I will keep shower greywater separate down to the basement room of the heat pump. A T-valve can either steer it to the sewage, or let it make a detour through my old, discarded 200 liter water heater. The coldwater intake to the heat pump heater will have a detour that is a long spiral tube inside the old tank, for being pre-heated by the shower greywater. When a lot of hot water is consumed, the preheating will help reducing the recovery time for the new heater, making it appear as a bigger tank. The connections to the old tank, both the "warm circuit" greywater and the "cold circuit" coldwater inlet, will be with snap-on couplings so that I can easily disconnect for cleaning - or for throwing it completely out if it turns out to be a bad idea.
I considered using shower greywater for summertime garden watering. That would require a pump, and I don't know if soaps could harm the plants. It would not be useful during water outage. So I went for a large rainwater cistern instead, independent of the water supply, is fairly clean, it helps avoiding that the soil in my garden is washed away during extreme rain showers, I will have five cubic meters of water for my garden during a draught...
For the sewage system: My city is in the process of a complete renewal of the sewage, where they will keep rain water (referred to as "surface water") out of the sewage. This will strongly reduce the sewage volume that has to be processed before letting it out in the sea. The surface water will be given a completely different treatment - where possible, by letting it seep into the ground as it would have done if there was no city here.
While I agree the situation is ridiculous (I'm no hoarder myself and haven't bought any more than I normally would in any other random period of time), this sounds like a comment coming from someone who's never run out of TP when you needed it the most...
But how does that happen? How long must a crisis be for you to run out of toilet paper? That can't possibly be something you buy every day, to cover the needs of the evening and the next morning, and that is it! Buying toilet paper for the next few days (and no more) is like buying salt and pepper for the next few days (and no more).
Well, of course that is possible, but who would choose to run a hand-to-mouth household to that degree ... with toilet paper?
So is this latest pandemic Mother natures way of reducing the population, decimating the elderly who are biologically less valuable that the young. Her way of implementing the 3 score and ten (I know that comes from the sky pixie but lets go with that).
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