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Infected people are Schroedinger-esque (in that they're both/neither dead and/or recovered until they're either put in a box van to be taken home, or put into another box to be sent elsewhere), so they can't be counted as either.
You might as well use the number of people who have never been infected as the number for who are still infected; it would make the results just as nonsensical.
To calculate the actual mortality rate, you have to use only the Deaths and Recovered figures. Add them together to get the total "no longer in a Schroedinger box" figure, and calculate the mortality and recovery percentages from there.
e.g. no-one in NL has recovered, but some have died, so it is a 100% mortality rate.
If the Dutch doctors manage to cure a few people, the percentages will change, obviously -- but I haven't got my hopes up; my own GP nearly killed me (literally! The incorrect medication he gave me had me sh1tting blood, and I could have dropped dead at any instant), when all I had was tennis elbow.
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Well I'm glad to hear that you survived the great tennis elbow pandemic (must have been pretty scary though - my commiserations). The thing is that deaths are "absolute", recoveries are not... at what time can you be sure someone's not going to relapse? And if they survive, their lungs may be so damaged that a future mild infection may kill them, but will that be counted as a C19 death?
I like you "Schroedinger" analogy, grim though it is. But since "recoveries" can be counted only against those tested and confirmed to have C19, again it's fairly meaningless until 100% of the population are counted 100% of the time. Maybe the Dutch are only hospitalising (and testing) people who are almost on their last breath. That's (one reason) why inter-country comparisons are both meaningless and useless.
Finally, I don't think any doctors anywhere are curing people of this, but simply managing to keep them alive long enough that they recover. The common cold is a coronavirus, but even so all we've achieved so far with that is symptom control.
"recoveries" can be counted only against those tested and confirmed to have C19, again it's fairly meaningless until 100% of the population are counted 100% of the time. Maybe the Dutch are only hospitalising (and testing) people who are almost on their last breath. That's (one reason) why inter-country comparisons are both meaningless and useless.
This is true. They're currently only testing some of the people who show symptoms or have been in close contact with confirmed cases, so it skews the figures a lot.
Hopefully, people like me, by promoting the "100% mortality rate!" thing, will encourage them to test more.
The same thing shows up very clearly in US testing -- just over 100,000 tested; about 30,000 confirmed infections. If people in the US start shouting about a 30% infection rate, a bit more effort might go into testing a little more.
A high level of testing appears to be the most successful weapon against the spread: Chinese and South Korean medics have been going door-to-door, testing people in the worst zones, then dragging infected people off to quarantine, if necessary; and their figures (while they show a high infection rate, because of the extensive testing) are improving, while the rest of the world's are getting worse.
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If "the quality of the health service" was the only factor affecting these figures, you might draw the conclusions you suggest.
But there are a lot of factors outside of the health system - most of all: The politicians. Which decisions they make to try to control the spread of the virus. The structure of society can greatly affect the spreading, too: An rural society where noone (or very few) are traveling very much, and each farming family essentially stays on the farm, maybe bringing their products to the local market once a week where they meet a few others that live in a similar way is not going to lead to a rapid spread.
Most of those dying from the virus are old people, many having other diseases as well. Remember that many "new" causes of death the last generation or two has to do with people living much longer. In the old days, people simply didn't live long enough to suffer these new diseases. In a non-Western culture, where people do not live much longer that we did a hundred years ago, maybe (note: maybe!) you won't have as many deaths, even though their health service may be rather primitive.
There are so many factors to take into consideration that I am sure that you have to be an expert in pandemics to think of even half of them. Putting just a handful simple figures into a spreadsheet and pretend that we can draw any valuable conclusion from that has no value whatsoever - except possibly as entertainment. Like playing Monopoly, which certainly can tell you nothing about how to handle the economic crisis.
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Staying at home isn't boring at all. But I have a question...
Why don't they work harder to ensure that cans of pork-n-beans have EXACTLY the same number of beans, and pieces of pork?
And now that I know there's a problem, I feel like I have to check ALL of the canned goods as they are consumed.
When I have enough data, I'm gonna start writing some strongly worded letters.
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Can't help you there, not allowed to eat beans unless I want to sleep somewhere very uncomfortable.
But I am doing research on fly wing oscillations, specifically beats per minute. I'll keep you posted!
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Since it is packaged on a volume-limited basis that is the only criterion they can be consistent with. They fill the cans to a consistent volume level and that is the only thing they can almost guarantee. What that volume actually consists of is a crap shoot.
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I haven't seen the package in question, but I can almost guarantee it's sold by weight, not volume.
That's how companies selling potato chips can get away with these "big bags containing mostly air". The weight is clearly written on the bag; as long as what they sell you weighs at least that much, consumer can't complain about some sort of misrepresentation or false advertising.
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