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And it was already so fast I just now noticed.
87MB/sec download speeds on a single open socket.
I was saturating my WiFi at 25MB/sec and i didn't realize it - thought i was topping out my internet and i was happy with it.
plugged it into a wire today just so i could let the hubby use my wifi dongle because his laptop's built in wifi was dodgy for a bit. i was reinstalling windows so i had to download a bunch of stuff anyway.
The windows install was utter hell. At least a dozen blue screens and i had to run out and buy a DVD-ROM to fix it. It cost me a mint in downtime for work this week too.
So it was nice to bookend this disaster with this wonderful broadband windfall.
Comcast actually wasn't lying when they told me i'd get better than 600MBits/s. I thought it was a sales guy talking up burst rates for the node, but no.
Woo. 
Real programmers use butterflies
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(I broach this subject here because I don't think there's an answer. Note the "rant" icon.)
Consider:
ObsoleteAttribute -- Marks the program elements that are no longer in use.
What would be the opposite/complement? A way to mark some code as not-yet-ready-for-primetime?
Not to the extent of throwing a NotImplementedException, because the code exists and works (mostly).
Not a todo either; that's too passive.
But, if I have a kludgey Method I intend to rework at some convenient future time, I want to be reminded about it every time I compile code which calls it. Even if the Method has been compiled into a DLL.
An ObsoleteAttribute will do this -- but I expect that it would be confusing to my colleagues.
Even a UseAtYourOwnRiskAttribute would be better.
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PIEBALDconsult wrote: A way to mark some code as not-yet-ready-for-primetime?
[UnderDevelopment]
[Future]
[ComingSoon]
PIEBALDconsult wrote: But, if I have a kludgey Method I intend to rework at some convenient future time, I want to be reminded about it every time I compile code which calls it.
[Sh*ttyCodeAhead] (self-sensored that, lol)
[KludgeyCode]
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Marc Clifton wrote: [UnderDevelopment]
[Future]
[ComingSoon]
[BetaQuality], and presumably [AlphaQuality].
Not a .Net developer, but it looks like you can create your own Attributes: Writing Custom Attributes | Microsoft Docs, so maybe actually doable?
Keep Calm and Carry On
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Could work if they allowed deriving from ObsoleteAttribute. But. They. Don't. 
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For probably good reason. [^]
Also that article is a solid introduction 
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[Incomplete]
[LitelyTested]
[CutAndPasteAtYourOwnRisk]
[CodeProjectQAQuality]
[hmmmmNotSureAboutThis]
[YouFeelLucky]
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What do you guys think for these containers? After using them for a while with VS, I think this technology is a rubbish. Too many moving parts. Versioning nightmare. URLs changing, living you high and dry, conflicts between solution and projects etc.
Is it just me who is not fully appreciate/understand this library management mechanic?
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modified 8hrs 5mins ago.
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Never used it. Worthless. Leave it for the cargo-cultists.
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PIEBALDconsult wrote: Never used it.
PIEBALDconsult wrote: Worthless.
How would you know it is worthless, if you never used it?
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For a long time I tried to stop the use of NuGet packages, but after a bunch of new colleagues arrived they had their way and now the builder is totally dependent on NuGet and the internet.
And of course they were totally surprised that suddenly version conflicts arose.
But on the positive side: I must admit that last year I tried to get the new NpgSql driver for PostgreSQL working and could not get it done without using NuGet.
I even have plans to create a privat NuGet server, see: private-nuget-servers[^]
So as the saying goes: "Go with the flow" ...
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I've had a few run-ins with NuGet during my career, but apart from one time, nothing I couldn't fix.
What really bothers me is that it tells me to update to package v5.0.0, which I know to be built on .NET 5.0, while my project is .NET Core 3.1.
That's not compatible, yet it wants me to update... 
It shouldn't be that difficult to recognize my .NET version and then only show me updates for that particular version, or so you'd think.
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How are you using NuGet? All I do is right-click my project in Visual Studio, Manage NuGet Packages and then install what I need. It's much easier than going out to find the vendor's website, downloading an sdk, and adding references in Visual Studio.
And mine don't ever try to update so new versions or url changes don't affect me. I've been using it for the last couple of years and have not had the problems you mentioned so you must be doing something wrong. 
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Wait until you use 3rd party libs that need different versions of dll's, then it's party time
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A lot of proprietary libraries. Third party stuff. Microsoft Azure stuff. Packaging my own old libraries in a NuGet library... At least for me the whole process feels painful and time-consuming.
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Deyan Georgiev wrote: Third party stuff. Microsoft Azure stuff.
That's me too.
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We're using them quite intensively.
We create and consume them for internal libraries (for C# and C++ projects) with Azure DevOps feeds and use public nugets available on nuget.org feed
No big issues so far.
For C++ packages, there seems to be a push to vcpkg.
But heck .. xkcd: Standards
I'd rather be phishing!
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To avoid version conflicts, create your own local NuGet repository and only install from that. That will keep NuGet from automagically "upgrading" your packages, and allow you more control over your upgrading process (upgrade only when you want to).
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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Somewhere a few days ago I posted "NuGet is a virus". 
What particularly annoys me is:
<dependentAssembly>
<assemblyIdentity name="Newtonsoft.Json" publicKeyToken="30ad4fe6b2a6aeed" culture="neutral" />
<bindingRedirect oldVersion="0.0.0.0-10.0.0.0" newVersion="10.0.0.0" />
</dependentAssembly>
Crap like that.
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I like Nuget. We use it for everything in our shop.
I can't convince you to like it. I can suggest you learn how to properly work with it, and I say this kindly, and not teasingly.
If you have a team of 10 developers and only 2 know how to properly work with Nuget and keep things updated properly, then you are destined for failure, because the other 8 devs will elephant things up for sure.
It does have its annoying problems, but they are manageable IMHO.
Edit: we have our own Nuget repo (See JSOP's response) and we use this for most of our packages and for the same reasons that John mentioned.
modified 4hrs 5mins ago.
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If this is a Leslie, so be it. But for those not initiated, here's a horror video for you, made even more horrifying by the god-awful laugh track. (And don't ask me where the term 'god-awful' comes from - I don't know - yet.)
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Looks like they really love Power Point. I haven't used PP in years.
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Didn't make it past the first minute, ugh!
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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