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Surgery under anesthesia can also be fatal and hardly anyone cares.
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embar.k.adero wrote: hardly anyone cares.
I have to disagree. I know a few people who are afraid of not waking up from surgery. It's not that uncommon.
It's a tradeoff - hopefully one undergoes surgery to either have life-saving procedures or such procedures as are necessary for a decent quality of life. In that case, I for one, was glad that I just sort of remember waking up and nothing hurt whilst I was being cut up.
Risk/Reward - like driving (the drunk driver kills you), it adds enough to life to be worth the risk.
So - I await my turn for the vaccine.
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W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote: But those who were hesitant? Just what they "wanted" to hear.
You're strange.
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20212 wrote: You're strange.
That's such a strange response I won't even ask why you think so..
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Just got mine a hour ago...still kickin!
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Mike Hankey wrote: Just got mine a hour ago...still kickin!
Just to be sure, see if you can find some witnesses that you're actually still around.
Posting to CP is, so far as I know, not officially certified as evidence of corporal existence
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I post, therefore I am.
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Follow the money - who would profit by building a bot to simulate Mike? 
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Mike Hankey wrote: still kickin!
Could be seizures. Might want to have that checked.
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So, I read on Friday that Lord General of New York, His Royal Highness, Andrew Cuomo, has instructed to order more vaccines, to ramp up the supply chain for that.
Hopefully, I will get my vaccine in the next month or so, instead of next year, as some had feared, including myself.
I have also read that complications of various kinds due to the vaccine are extremely rare, but do happen. Just as with most things medical and health related, I would guess.
modified 8-Feb-21 9:58am.
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In two days time I will get the second helping...
I do know hundreds (and reportedly there are nearly 3 million) who already done it with no significant issues...
It is very sad when happens, and makes you think what are your chances to get the same - very legitimate and hard to argue with. My problem with those against the vaccine are the actual act of fake-news and (physical) prevention for those made the other choice...
"The only place where Success comes before Work is in the dictionary." Vidal Sassoon, 1928 - 2012
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Anecdotal "evidence": my parents, siblings and siblings-in-law, wife, and I have all had both doses. We all feel fine.
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more anecdotal "evidence" - took my other half for her 1st shot yesterday. All well ... for a while! After about 6 hours began feeling very tired, feverish, nauseous, headache. Slept for 18 hours (her, not me) and still v. tired and off food, still headache, but improving. Daughter-in-law's sister very similar story from last Friday.
If nothing else, suggests it's not just a placebo they're giving us!
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According to this article published by the NIH (Deaths following vaccination: What does the evidence show?) deaths from vaccine are extremely rare. While no probability figures are given, the article states that there is no evidence "at the population level" that vaccines cause death (end of section 3). That does not mean that other (quite serious) side effects do not occur, some of which are listed in the article.
The vaccine for COVID-19 is new, but there is no reason to assume that it is more dangerous than other vaccines.
I would estimate that your chances of getting killed in a car accident while driving (or getting mugged while walking) to the vaccination centre are greater than your chances of dying from the vaccination.
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Consider the odds of dying from the vaccine, versus the odds of succumbing to the virus. In other words, out of some 30 million who got the vaccine, there were almost no deaths. And that one person who did die: It has not been established that it was attributable to the vaccine. That versus out of some 30 million (not vaccinated) people who got infected, the death toll is approaching half a million. Consider those odds if you are concerned about the vaccine!
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I made that same point in my post - but those who were against it, or sitting on the fence, are not considering this rationally.
Now, I admit I didn't want to be in the first batch of recipients, but 30M recipients later, and, well, I'm looking to move up in the line.
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Got my second shot last Friday. The only side effect: A sore arm that takes about 3 days to heal.
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Actually, it's quite likely the side-effects are a good sign: it means your immune system is reacting. There's definitely a known incidence of more side-effects for the second shot - which makes sense since your immune systems' already able to recognize it.
See how optimistic I can be!
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Quote: Actually, it's quite likely the side-effects are a good sign
Agreed! 
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W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote: someone having just died at a vaccination center
Does any injection ever work so fast that it can kill someone who just received it literally minutes prior? Excluding nasty chemical compounds that would obviously kill anyone...
W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote: I'm awaiting announcement of the actual cause-of-death.
Indeed.
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Quote: Does any injection ever work so fast that it can kill someone who just received it literally minutes prior
While it is rare, yes a sudden and severe onset of an extreme allergic reaction (anaphylaxis) is possible in people who are prone to serious allergic reactions. Anaphylaxis can cause death, unless the person receives medical treatment immediately.
That is why, in our case, there was an ambulance parked right next to the tent where we received our shots. Presumably it was fully equipped to treat allergic reactions.
And that is why they compel you to wait for 15 minutes after the shot, before they allow you to drive off. With these precautions your risk of dying from anaphylaxis is just about zero.
Anaphylaxis - Symptoms and causes - Mayo Clinic[^]
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Cp-Coder wrote: sudden and severe onset of an extreme allergic reaction
That's pretty much what I was thinking--this person has to have a severe allergy to something that happens to be in the vaccine.
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Assuming roughly 30million covid shots worldwide now (it's more than that, but even so); a person spends at least 10 minutes at the vaccination centre = 300,000,000 person-minutes worldwide. That equates to 570 years or over 8 lifetimes. Statistically, it's hardly surprising therefore that by now at least one person has dropped dead quite co-incidentally after having had their vaccine. Especially since it's still mainly the older / co-morbidity groups that are being done now.
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Interesting use of the stats. Even if not limited to more vulnerable groups, 30M is a lot of bodies and, at any given moment, it's not unlikely for one to fail. Likelihood is even greater in that I'd put the time in the vaccine center at 20-30 min (consider the 15 min wait after shot).
"From 1980 to 2019, between eight and nine people per 1,000 have died each year in the United States."[^]
Another way to spin up statistics that would doubtless confirm your manipulation
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Hello again smart people 
I need your advice again. As you know, I did survived my first semester and now I'm starting thinking about eventual career path, so that I structure my learning and don't waste my time on learning something I will not be good at or will not want to work with anyway. I really want to be ready for a job as soon as it is possible. I don't want to spend hours diving in the areas of programming I don't have talent for and than compete with masterminds for some few jobs. I thought about some areas I'm intrested in but there are some cons and pros with them:
- Embedded systems - I dont have any background in physics and mathematics though, and becuase of that I don't know if it's a good idea.
- Android development - but I'm not sure if it's not too competitive and if there are enough job opportunities.
- .NET developer - but it means that I really have to get my degree to get job in this field. I wonder if BS will do?
I can learn some algortihms and understand them just for the job interview and the project, but I will never invent my own or be a data scientist or some algortihm expert so I don't want to work in the area where you heavily rely on complicated algorithms because I lack mathematical skills and talent. I think that my biggest advantage is being creative so I thought maybe I go into direction of Android development (as I already said) or web development. But I would like to stay programmer. I don't want to be a manager, and I don't want to sit in the meetings for hours before the white board talking about programming. My highest goal is to be senior devloper and that's it - I just want to program and of course sometimes I can have a meeting for max an hour a day or something . But of course, I don't have a clue how the developer job really look like in reality, so which field of expertise would you recommend? Are there any users who work in the fields I mention and can share some thoughts?
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