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For a OS that is over 40 years old (Unix) [much like dog years : ITS OLD!], it's still got the moves...
You gotta respect that! 
Its the man, not the machine - Chuck Yeager
If at first you don't succeed... get a better publicist
If the final destination is death, then we should enjoy every second of the journey.
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.jpg wrote: learning to 'not having permission' to do everything to your system at all time is actually a good thing.
You must have loved Vista then...
Real men don't use instructions. They are only the manufacturers opinion on how to put the thing together.
Manfred R. Bihy: "Looks as if OP is learning resistant."
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But I do like Linux
And I do like Windows
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I also like Solaris
and AIX
but not HP-UX 
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Different folks for different strokes ...
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Solaris
I actually thought it was dead and burned into oblivion. But after a quick look up in Wikipedia I realized to my horror that it's still very much alive 
My number one dev tool? Google
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The last few years of my working life (last few months with Sun) we used Solaris a lot and had a large customer base worldwide that used it. I would be quite surprised if all those customers had managed to move to a different platform in less than 5 years.
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.jpg wrote: learning to 'not having permission' to do everything to your system at all time is actually a good thing.
obligatory xkcd cartoon : http://xkcd.com/149/[^]
I never realy liked Linux, but I've only tried it in its early versions (early 90's).
I don't mind unix style system, but apart from a few technical achievements, there's nothing worth installing for normal users.
Watched code never compiles.
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Wait til Windows 8 - a lot more people will like Linux...
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I've liked Windows more and more with each version, I even liked Vista.
But after having a look at the preview I gotta say I hate this metro thing, I find it confusing and weird. I wont install Windows 8 on my grandmothers machine that's for sure, she would call me day and night because she didn't get this metro thing, I'm sure.
In short I agree with you. I'll for the first time skip a version of Windows.
My number one dev tool? Google
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.jpg wrote: sudo 'not having permission'
FFTY.
I marginally prefer Linux, more so when the price tag is factored in. I'm just getting back into it after a too-many-years break, I've just set myself up a dirt-cheap laptop, anything post Windows XP wouldn't run on it due to the low RAM but Ubuntu is zippy-quick.
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Keith Barrow wrote: FFTY FTFY
FTFY 
The world is going to laugh at you anyway, might as well crack the 1st joke!
Have you tried turning it off and on again? Have you tried forcing an unexpected reboot?
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No, I haven't had the patience to learn how things are done, and as for "not having permission", I honestly can't see the point of that. I don't like that in my women, and I don't like that in my programming environment.
Marc
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Ubuntu is progressing rapidly. I used to install it every year on a virtual machine to stay in the loop.
Maybe the reason you liked Ubuntu more is that you are bored and want to try something new? Probably you know everything on Windows such as the command prompt, control panel, file permissions, etc... But you are enjoying the new learning experience of Linux now.
Make it simple, as simple as possible, but not simpler.
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The LAMP environment runs a lot of what is out there. This includes Google, Facebook, etc., etc.
At lot of the popular languages/dialects like Python, Ruby, Node.js... were developed on Linux.
Linux is a different approach, not just a different way of doing the same things. "You cannot get there from here" applies to both Linux and Windows depending on the project.
Apple has tweaked BSD forever. Although I have a lot of SCO and Linux experience, I did not find an Apple easier to use than Windows and Linux. But I have not spent much time with it. The time I spent was painful.
I use the Windows GUI and VS 2010, or Gentoo Linux for development. Vi is great once you get used to the syntax, but no intellisense. Intellisense is great.
Both have their place. Neither should go away, they feed each other - IMHO.
"Courtesy is the product of a mature, disciplined mind ... ridicule is lack of the same - DPM"
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Oh yes....much more. I have programmed professionally for both, and the programming is in some ways much easier on Linux. In others, it is less easy, but also far less prone to random errors.
And library management (shared objects, dll's, assemblies, pick your poison) is a LOT better.
From a system administrator point of view, there is no contest for me at all. If I can make it run on Linux, it does. 1 Linux admin can handle many servers. 1 Windows admin can effectively manage only a few, due to all of the high clicky GUI overhead requirements to administrate.
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"Windows admin can effectively manage only a few, due to all of the high clicky GUI overhead requirements to administrate."
This may have been true in the past. However, it's just not the case now. A lot of tasks (if not all) can be scripted and automated just as nicely on a Windows environment. Especially with the advent of PowerShell.
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The problem I have with this is that no one uses an OS in a vacuum. It's somewhat like evaluating a car in the lot without driving it and using it in day-to-day situations for a while. That's when you realize the blind spot over your left shoulder sucks, the shape of the frame around the back seat doors makes getting your kids in and out of your car seats difficult, and there's not quite as much room for groceries as you thought. Or, you discover all the nifty little features missing in your old car that make this one so much better than you thought it would be.
Over the last two years I've had a lot of experience in all 3 big OSes. I used Linux almost exclusively for a year and a half (Ubuntu 9-11), working on Rails stuff and Linux servers. I bought a MacBook to dual-boot, and used that for 9 months. And around that, I've been a Windows guy doing .Net programming. What I've found is that my experiences had a lot less to do with what I liked or disliked about the OS, and a whole lot more about what I did with it and how much difficulty I had doing so.
For Linux, the regular stuff was great. And I really appreciated being able to run a very similar dev. environment on my laptop as on my server. What sucked for me was mostly proprietary stuff that just did not exist for Linux. Printer drivers were hit and miss. Utilities for configuring some electrical meters I worked with were Windows only, and Wine didn't work for them. I had an iPhone and thus needed iTunes, and had a Nook so I used its desktop version a decent amount. And I did have issues with driver support on some of my hardware that I either had to spend a good amount of time Googling for, or simply couldn't fix and just annoyed the crap out of me. Most of this was not Ubuntu's fault, of course, but the driving experience was just not as good as I could expect from either OS X or Windows despite the stuff I really liked about Ubuntu.
In the end, my startup decided to take advantage of the MS BizSpark program, so I chose Win 7 over OS X. I would have stayed on Ubuntu had we gone the FOSS route. But all else being equal, I would choose 7 over Ubuntu for every day usage, even with the added license cost.
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I like both Windows and Linux. Used Windows since 1996, and Linux since 2001. All my computers are dual boot Windows 7 + Linux Mint (my favorite distro).
It's hard to say if I like one better than the other. They both have their strong points and weak points. I don't really prefer one over the other, but I do prefer having both OSes on dual-boot over just one or the other.
The world is going to laugh at you anyway, might as well crack the 1st joke!
Have you tried turning it off and on again? Have you tried forcing an unexpected reboot?
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I like Linux lots more than Windows.
#1, when you use Linux, you aren't really aware of any part of your disk other than what's in /home/username. That's the only part of the disk that you have to organize.
#2, when I install software from my standard repositories, there are no license agreements and configuration steps that I have to walk thru. Software installation happens in a matter of seconds with no user input. Pretty nice.
I've been using Linux only since 2009 and I taught myself everything that I know.
-Mark
(Debian Linux user)
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Linux, Windows or Mac Operating systems have their own advantages and disadvantages according to specific requirements established by an user or group of users (e.g.organization). Any analysis should be done according to this criteria.
For example, it is hard to argue against Windows in the business world, because of after decades of use by it, everybody is familiar with Windows and try to stick to it. Another example, Mac and the graphics community. Or, Linux on Web community....it mostly depends on your environment, if you prefer one over another.
Dante
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I would nearly always choose linux over windows. I develop in a windows shop at work, and I use linux anywhere else. I personally don't have wine installed, and don't care to pay for programs that are single platform. (unless it's linux only)
I started on debian, moved to ubuntu, and eventually ended on gentoo. My wife and my daughter also use linux. My wife thought the move to linux was simple, and even did her excel classes in open office.
I have one game members of my family play, and the occassional class in college requires windows programs. For this I have a vm. I feel kinda dirty about it, but windows in a vm is necessary sometimes. ( at least for now).
Some third party stuff is not created for linux. This is sad. But, there are usually tools that you can buy , or get for free, that do the same tasks. (Gimp vs. photoshop, Haxe vs. flash, Mono vs. VS, and on and on). Again, I try not to contribute to programs that are windows only.
Many of the softwares you can't get to work in wine, that is true. You can use a vm or you can always get crossover or a related program to make wine a little less painful.
I tried installing windows 7 and couldn't stand it. Too many popups, no package manager, and always messages about what my computer did for me without my knowledge. You can't turn it off without waiting for it to let you , it won't start without configuring, etc. It was , in my opinion, aggrivating. It wouldn't shut off when I wanted it to so I pulled the plug out of the back of it (turned off immediately , btw) and put the tower in the trunk of the car. I couldn't get IIS set up, and it wouldn't let me install apache. Just to much for me to take. I went back to gentoo where things are normal.
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Linux is worth something only to people whose time is worth nothing.
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I think Windows, Linux & Mac OS X all have their place and depending on your application each OS can have its advantages and/or disadvantages.
It is similar to arguing that we all should be driving MAC trucks. 
For example, I hear a lot of "I switched to Linux at home and love it. It's so much better than Windows" stories out there. However, I never hear anything backing up that popular declaration. Questions that immediately come in to mind (to mention a few) are:
What are they doing with their home computer?
What kind of hardware is in their home computer?
If they are a system administrator practicing setup of home networks with file sharing, web serving, writing PHP/Java TomCat/Perl apps, experimenting with MySQL or PostgreSQL then yes I would agree Linux / *NIX is a great platform. In fact it's a great practice environment because some of the things learned and be directly applied to a production work environment since a lot of enterprises run on Linux and open source offerings.
However, if the application is crunching a numbers in spreadsheets or other types of "business analyst" duties then I would offer a strong argument for Windows and MS Office. Yes, I am aware of packages like OpenOffice (OpenOffice.org) and while it offers "similar" functionality it is still lacking in quite a few areas: document compatibility just to mention one. I also realize that they make Office for Mac and while it is making quite a bit of progress it is still not the same as Office on a Windows machine.
Now if your application is music or audio / recording I would say the Mac/OS X is your friend. I have used audio software / recording packages for all three platforms and I will say (quite easily) Mac / OS X wins in this category hands down! You simply plug in your audio interface and it just WORKS! Linux is not bad if you can actually find drivers for your audio interface (hours and hours can be spent even after finding drivers to get them compiled or compiled into your kernel.) I realize this is not the fault of Linux / the Open Source community, but the fault of manufacturers who do not release the details to the inner workings of their devices. However, I also understand the idea of "trade secrets" and that releasing the details of your inner workings to your competitor is not always a good thing, but I digress. The other down side I have seen with audio software on Linux is features! A lot of the open source offerings for audio software (Audacity excluded as it is a quite decent sound editor IMHO) seem to only mimic functionality available in commercial packages. For beginners this feature set may be suitable. However if you come from a ProTools or Logic environment and have come to expect certain functionality of your digital audio workstation (DAW) it is quite disappointing when this "core" functionality is missing.
In my personal experience Audio software on Windows can work quite nicely. That is, after quite a bit of "tweaking" and configuration changes, etc... I've argued before that when you are in "creative" mode or your brain is in "music" mode you don't want to have to think about things like: "Oh wait. Let me disable the Internet Connection Sharing Service to free up some memory so that my audio doesn't have glitches in it. Shute! That didn't work, well let me try installing this undocumented KB HotFix to fix communication with certain IEEE 1394 (Firewire) devices..."
I think in the end the application has everything to do with which platform / environment is preferable. I know I have only addressed only a tiny subset of the applications out there, but I'm only trying to convey that each platform has it's advantages and disadvantages. I'm glad there is more than one out there. It at least gives us a choice! (Choices are good.)
I guess I'll end my rant / 2 cents there. I just ask all who make posts like "I like Linux better!" to follow up that declaration with some reason why besides "It's just better!"
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Greg Aluise wrote: I guess I'll end my rant / 2 cents there. I just ask all who make posts like "I
like Linux better!" to follow up that declaration with some reason why besides
"It's just better!"
Hear Hear well said!
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All operating systems are getting better. I liked 4bsd UNIX and SUN OS in the '80's. SUSE linux in 2009 wasn't much different, and I was ready to dismiss linux until I loaded ubuntu. Windows sucked until 3.11 when it became toleable, and win95 was finally looking kinda polished. It's gotten steadily better since. I have very high hopes for metro, and not just for touch apps.
My big disappointment was MacOS. It's just another unix, and only somewhat more stable than Win7. What was all the hype about?
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.jpg wrote: learning to 'not having permission' to do everything to your system at all time
is actually a good thing.
You *couldn't* do that in Windows or you CHOSE to not do that in Windows? Since Windows 2000, the person setting up the accounts has had the option of making any account a "Standard User" which doesn't have "root" access.
It's how I run my Windows boxes and you know what the learning curve was? Just a hair above zero.
Oh, sure I had to learn how to do "runas administrator" but that's pretty close to linux's "sudo" and there were poorly written applications that *had* to have administrator access but those, for the large part, are now gone.
And for the record, I've run both Ubuntu and CentOS, and I prefer CentOS over Ubuntu, but I prefer Windows over CentOS. Mac OS X is dead last in my list (but I also run that).
Mike Poz
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