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_Maxxx_ wrote: my thought would be to change whatever the rule says to that of treating each
case individually to assess the risk.
I totally agree with that. Unfortunately, I didn't think to word the petition that way. 
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The rules are there for a reason.
Do people want pilots who are at an increased risk of falling ill at 35,000 ft?
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I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
CCC Link[ ^]
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An ex of mine's father was killed by a diabetic who slipped into a diabetic coma driving a lorry and ploughed into him as he changed a wheel on their trailer tent on the hard shoulder of a motorway. Dragged his body a good few hundred yards down the side of the motorway.
I also know lots of diabetics who have never killed anyone.
Every man can tell how many goats or sheep he possesses, but not how many friends.
Shed Petition[ ^]
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Years ago while still working construction, we had a bulldozer operator that slipped into a diabetic coma while on the dozer. In the middle of a very crowded area of the city, The dozer trundled right up to the edge of an 8 lane road and only stopped when the blade hit a concrete barrier at the side of the road. It could have been ugly.
Beauty is in the eye of the beer-holder
Be careful which toes you step on today, they might be connected to the foot that kicks your butt tomorrow.
You can't scare me, I have children.
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Dalek Dave wrote: pilots who are at an increased risk of falling ill at 35,000 ft
I wouldn't want my pilot to do that either. However, as far as diabetics go, there are so many checks and balances, that there is a huge chance that I would know long before something happened to me.
For instance, the current rules for private pilots is that the BG(Blood Glucose) has to be above 100 mg/dl. I have been down to 31 or 32 mg/dl without going into a diabetic coma. I would definitely know before it happened and take action to prevent it.
So, I appreciate the fact that people want their pilot to keep them alive, but I believe that I should be able to have a chance at it.
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GeekforChrist wrote: I wouldn't want my pilot to do that either. However, as far as diabetics go, there are so many checks and balances, that there is a huge chance that I would know long before something happened to me.
There will always be exceptions to rules in any large population but that doesn't alter the fact that economics means that people must be dealt with in groups and not as individuals.
Of course it is often the case that an individual can use economics to impact the rules. So for example one can make enough money that one can afford to go some place where the rules are not as stringent. But it isn't a requirement that society must provide the opportunity.
And rules based on groups of people should strive to be objectively based. Thus for example the fact that there are individuals who can drive very well while drunk way past the normal limits (and quite possibly drive better than when sober) cannot be allowed to be the criteria by which every individual gets to decide whether their skills at a specific moment of time are up to the task.
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Wow. I've never thought of it like that.
Thanks for the insight. 
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Sorry, could not get you.
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What are you ranting about? For what he did or because he brought back Oprah?
"Bastards encourage idiots to use Oracle Forms, Web Forms, Access and a number of other dinky web publishing tolls.", Mycroft Holmes[ ^]
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Oprah is bigger than Lance. I was just watching the interview and thought, not for the first time, what a c**k the man is.
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_Josh_ wrote: Oprah is bigger than Lance.
In size, yes.
"Bastards encourage idiots to use Oracle Forms, Web Forms, Access and a number of other dinky web publishing tolls.", Mycroft Holmes[ ^]
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They should have used Jeremy Kyle instead. Coming up next the results of our lie detector tests, we'll be right back!
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Wow, you've come up with a circumstance where I may actually like to see JK. I thought that wasn't possible. +5.
Maybe they should start using him on politicians and wbankers too!
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Don't knock JK, he's the man!
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jim lahey wrote: he's thea man!
FTFY
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Before calling someone a sunshine, remember that at least a sunshine has a use.
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done.
Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H
OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre
I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer
Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
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I didn't call him a sunshine, but a c##k. But yeah, also very useful.
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I think we need a word/phrase for someone who is so below human life and devoid of any redeeming characteristics that even there mothers couldn't love them.
Something like Estate Agent but without the charm.
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done.
Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H
OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre
I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer
Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
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Piers Morgan?
Every man can tell how many goats or sheep he possesses, but not how many friends.
Shed Petition[ ^]
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Isn't that the charisma version of 0K?
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done.
Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H
OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre
I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer
Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
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I like RealEstateAgentITRecruiterUsedCarSalesMan but it doesn't really roll off the tounge.
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a "Lance Armstrong" ?
Nihil obstat
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Not at all. He was and still is a brilliant cyclist. I agree with his air in tyres, water in bottles analogy. In that respect, yes, he was no more saint or sinner than any of his contemporary competitors. On the BBC this morning, they interviewed the head of British cycling. Now, excuse my saying, but that man is a Wayne Kerr deluxe, full of vitriolic spite because Armstrong was a greater advocate for cycling than he ever was. If perjury charges are laid against Armstrong, I hope he comes out and names every single person associated with doping in his era. There must be quite a few doctors in active practice who were involved who now have an uncomfortable feeling around their necks. I never expected much from the Queen of Syrupy Shyte Oprah which is probably why LA chose the softly-does-it-test-the-water-first interview.
They claim many riders in Armstrong's years were clean and disadvantaged. To be honest, many of those riders didn't have a fraction of his talent with or without doping so in relative terms, he was still way ahead of them. The biggest c*** though is that useless POS Floyd Landis.
Without doubt though, the greatest troubled genius in the saddle was Marco Pantani. Armstrong was and still is, the greatest cyclist. What he did was wrong for sure, but compared to the others he was no worse.
"I do not have to forgive my enemies, I have had them all shot." — Ramón Maria Narváez (1800-68).
"I don't need to shoot my enemies, I don't have any." - Me (2012).
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PHS241 wrote: To be honest, many of those riders didn't have a fraction of his talent with or without doping so in relative terms, he was still way ahead of them
BS.
PHS241 wrote: The biggest c*** though is that useless POS Floyd Landis
Agreed.
PHS241 wrote: the greatest troubled genius in the saddle was Marco Pantani.
Agreed.
PHS241 wrote: <layer> Armstrong was and still is, the greatest cyclist
BS. He is an arrogant jerk. I won't go into that debate anymore, everybody here knows about how much I despise this clown.
~RaGE();
I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus
Do not feed the troll ! - Common proverb
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