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schmidja wrote: Although people lived their lives without being able to read and write, I think you'd agree that because reading and writing were made part of a basic education, quality of life has had an enormous potential to improve.
No doubt, but most people barely write shopping lists.
schmidja wrote: The skill of reading brought the knowledge of books to the masses. The skill of communicating with a computer has the potential to allow the masses to discover information, evaluate data, perform their duties with more efficiency than ever before.
I have a low opinion of those people, just try reading comments on news stories or even YouTube. The potential is there, most choose not to use it for good. I must say I've become very cynical and now regard education as a waste for many. They are taught facts, but not how to use them. Hopefully we will grow past that. They used to think television was going to bring education to the masses instead of "reality" shows.
schmidja wrote: Also, I find it interesting that a discussion of user interfaces have led to a discussion of whether or not people should know how to code. It would seem that non-computer users cannot differentiate the two.
I agree with that.
I just wish more people were learning to really program. The last ad my company placed looking for programmers had no respondents. Granted my boss was looking for MS Access programmers, but I would have thought there would have been someone willing to give it a go.
P.S. You might enjoy reading my response to Monster Maker's response, I won't come off as such a downer as I seem to have here.
Psychosis at 10
Film at 11
Those who do not remember the past, are doomed to repeat it.
Those who do not remember the past, cannot build upon it.
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jschell wrote: Second, some functionality, such as typing are unlikely to be replaced.
Optimist ...
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It should be the LNOB interface...Leave No One Behind UI!
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hah..that's the good one.
I am surely going to add that "LNOB" interface in my next android app!! :P
You do it in your code..
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Or the LCD UI, lowest common denominator ui.
When I look at the metro ui, I kind of start wondering what happend to the guy who once designed programmers workbench ...
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Espen Harlinn wrote: When I look at the metro ui, I kind of start wondering what happend to the guy who once designed programmers workbench ...
Maybe Windows 9 will be a command line OS, since we seem to be digressing? We can call it WIDIOT?
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heheh... one thing i can tell about you is that
you are in habit of seeing things with different angles,
and always try new things.
That's simply gr8 about you.
Keep doing the same!!
But for now help me debating others. :PP
World is short of ideas!
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Monster Maker wrote: Can't we make that thing specific to a type of person
who is using it?
Do you mean something that can be adapted to people with various disabilities?
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Yep sir,
people with disabilities, but not those what you meant.
Like if don't like math, i lack that part(its a type of disability for me).
On the other hand i like music, so in my UI things related to maths should be hidden or converted
to music without changing its actual meaning. In short for a musician microsoft windows should be
made totaly different than it should be for a mathematician.
If google can provide us the ad's depending on the searches that we make or following our emails that we get,then it can surely manage to give that much flexible UI with little more effort.
World is short of ideas!
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The problem with changing interfaces significantly depending on the user is one of support.
User : "When I wave my hands anti-clockwise and say "Noteus padius" my email program starts instead of Notepad
Support: "Have you tried re-starting the computer?"
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Monster Maker wrote: World is short of ideas!
Nope, I think about a third of humanity is mentally rigged to cough up new ideas, which the other two thirds do their best to shoot them down ...
Monster Maker wrote: my UI things related to maths should be hidden or converted
to music without changing its actual meaning
That would be an achievement - but you would still have to understand the mathematics ... music would then just be another notation ...
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Quote: Nope, I think about a third of humanity is mentally rigged to cough up new ideas, which the other two thirds do their best to shoot them down ...
I think you are talking about innovation. World is short of ideas and that's the only reason people steal it. But innovations are overflowing as 1 idea can be associated with a million innovations.
Secondly,
i never want that actually(that would be done in 100 years or so matching all probabilities),
what i want to convey is that people like to understand and do thing their own way.
So the UI should be made their way(or make a step towards that goal), then only the time understanding
windows would be utilized in implementing the ideas innovations.
I miss bitten apple! :'(
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Monster Maker wrote: World is short of ideas and that's the only reason people steal it.
Nope. Plenty of ideas. All of them based on existing idioms and many duplicated (unintentionally).
But successfully taking an idea to produce something that other people will use is a far, far different thing.
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Making interfaces specific could be a real problem. Imagine if you did the same thing for cars? I might want to drive using my left hand on a joystick, someone else steers with their knees etc. We cold no longer drive one another's cars!
Of course, you could argue that making the drive interface entirely software driven would help with that - but then I would need to be able to change preferences instantly and have my personal interface downloaded before I could drive your car.
And so it would be with any device with an interface. Suddenly I can't use the microwave without logging on first!
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_Maxxx_ wrote: Suddenly I can't use the microwave without logging on first!
Or log on without using the microwave ...
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Sir,
you can drive cars only in one boring way, everyday. With little or small manipulations.
But when it comes on coding, sky is the limit.
You can program to the same output, with different logic everyday.
And logic is about your idea of doing things.
So why not collect that idea from every field.
World is short of ideas
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Monster Maker wrote: But when it comes on coding, sky is the limit.
You can program to the same output, with different logic everyday.
And logic is about your idea of doing things.
So why not collect that idea from every field.
If you are suggesting that there is some way to create a UI that allows people to program new concepts - it is very unlikely to happen.
People have been attempting to do that for at least 30 years. And there has been almost no success. If it was possible then the process would already exist and people would be improving on it. Instead every attempt it heralded as the next best thing but in even limited usage all start to exhibit severe limits.
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_Maxxx_ wrote: We cold no longer drive one another's cars
Dammed right, bugger off that is MY computer and if you lay your grubby mits on it I'll glue them to the wall.
We already have customisation (in windows anyway) to personal taste!
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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Exactly, there's my point,we do have customization.
But people actually customizing it are really less. Only those who are actually committed.
I don't think a high school child will customize is his computer before using paint.
He would prefer social network(where he has stuffs which he understands much better).
World is short of ideas!
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Monster Maker wrote: Only those who are actually committed
Even smaller group then, I'm about as committed as they come (coding on a long weekend -  ) and I don't customise anything but SSMS and VS, my primary tools!
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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You customise because you know how to cutomise,
think of a computer illiterate..
For developers , a friendly UI would just be a bad idea(as they think there is no need),
but it will surely save their time and raise their interest.
World is short of ideas!
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I have rarely read such drivel, even in the Lounge!
Monster Maker wrote: I don't think a high school child will customize is his computer before using paint.
Then you haven't been to a high school recently. One of the major issues in schools is supporting student PCs, as they will customise tehm to the point of being all but unusable given half a chance - so the computers have to be locked down to stop them customising
Monster Maker wrote: He would prefer social network(where he has stuffs which he understands much better).
which he accesses via a computer UI !!
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Quote: Then you haven't been to a high school recently. One of the major issues in schools is supporting student PCs, as they will customise tehm to the point of being all but unusable given half a chance - so the computers have to be locked down to stop them customising
That was just an example of person who knows nothing about pc. What he would like and prefer.
Quote: which he accesses via a computer UI !!
It is like you are downloading other internet browsers from your internet explorer!
World is short of ideas!
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There's two issues here I think.
Customization can be a pain to support so the basics of the OS are reasonably locked down.
Imagine trying to use someone's computer if they whistled instead of clicking the mouse, and burped for a double click, for example. It's bad enough with a left handed mouse set up, but if the whole ui is customize it would be a real pain. Also you'd want all devices to use the same paradigms for that user.
The other issue is in the 'learning' ui - ie the ui changing over time to adapt to the users requirements.
Ms tried that some time ago with menu options being hidden or moved depending on the frequency of use. Trouble is, people get used to selecting the third item downon the menu - so got it wrong when the menu option moved, or they used someone else's computer.
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