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At least be able to look up syntax, read documentation, and some basics like looping, branching and testing.
Without that knowledge one is merely begging for the right words to "insert" into the existing code. Imagine your surgeons being trained like developers.
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: At least be able to look up syntax, read documentation, and some basics like looping, branching and testing.
I think some people come here brand new, they don't even have that yet. They still deserve respect and help.
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Respect, yes; but it would be quite the effort to convey all the beginning-concepts to someone who is writing the next FaceBook. It is also no longer "a question", but rather a "plea for help".
The site focuses on questions, not on introducing concepts to people who never touched a computer.
Bastard Programmer from Hell
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
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Agreed
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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We have an official set of CP comments for that class of help request.
These are used as links for the answers.
One I would appreciate on this hoped-for list:
You cannot use your smartphone to write proper code - it cannot make up for you being stupid.
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Trying turning your machine off and never turning it back on again.
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xkcd: Voice Commands[^]
So that's why my tablet does that! I don't even remember turning it on... 
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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Is this normal for people's messages to be flagged for moderation as potential spam, or did I do something that has put me on some sort of blacklist? It's kind of annoying as from what I can tell, I have not ever tried to advertise anything on here.
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Well, not sure what message you're referring to so not enough context.
As to whether it's normal... wouldn't say normal but it happens. There is a voting system though so you'd have to get flagged by multiple users for a message to be removed. Not sure what it takes to get booted though.
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Just today, I did "This week's survey" about being a game programmer, and posted an answer to one of the discussions in there. Basically the answer was a "yeah I used to do that too!" kind of answer, which got flagged for moderation. Then I posted my own discussion giving a little detail about the kind of work I used to do as a game programmer, which also got flagged. As far as I know, I did not use any language that might imply spam or anything inappropriate.
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If you're not actually spamming, I wouldn't worry too much about it. 
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The ones I saw seemed OK, so I let them through.
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Let me tell you a secret. In order avoid yourself from getting caught by send filters, you need to do this:
- Send 1 metric ton of hamster food to CP headquarters.
- Send a bottle of gin to Nagy.
- Send another bottle to OG.
- Send pie to PIEBALDConsult.
- Send me cash so I can spend it at local micro-brewery.
- And last but not the least, hang a poster of Sean in his beloved attire at your workplace.
"It is easy to decipher extraterrestrial signals after deciphering Javascript and VB6 themselves.", ISanti[ ^]
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lw@zi wrote: Send a bottlecase of gin to Nagy.
FTFY 
If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack.
--Winston Churchill
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It is nothing personal...
There is an automatic spam filter, that scans every messages - regardless who posts it. Sometimes it catches non-spam messages too...
Fortunately the filter lack of self confident, so every message goes to human review and signed as spam or not...
If you message signed as not-spam it released to the public and no harm done... In addition the filter learns better for the next time...
Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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Thanks for the feedback, guys. I'm ok with messages going to moderation. I just wanted to make sure that I wasn't unintentionally doing something that was making my messages appear evil to the spam filter lol
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We'll have your name put on the list.
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Is that the little list, or the list that was checked twice?
If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack.
--Winston Churchill
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Surely, I can't be the only person to go through bits of SAP and think, if they can sell this, then in tech you apparently can pretty much shrink wrap and sell a turd to people who don't know any better. The more I dig into SAP the more WTFs I see. For instance...
SAP Business One 8.8 Administration system ADP1 table definitions[^]
From this one table alone I can see 3 problems at least... archaic naming convention, using text fields for boolean logic, and not using an ENUM field or lookup table where appropriate. More if I try, and this isn't counting the fact there are no foreign keys in the database, some of the denormalized data I've seen, and some stored procs with unnecessarily needed hard coded values. 
Jeremy Falcon
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A few years ago we tried to use their Dashboard Designer. What a pita to work with! About the time we got it working, we found out that they were abandoning the html5 export option leaving only flash as the only available option. The program was a resource hog that I loathed to start as it would take minutes to load. That program didn't make the cut on my newer rig or laptop.
At least you're finding documentation. I've always found SAP to be horrible at documentation. 
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
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kmoorevs wrote: The program was a resource hog that I loathed to start as it would take minutes to load. That program didn't make the cut on my newer rig or laptop.
Our dev environment is hosted on a beefy AWS instance... with only two users. SAP is still slow.
kmoorevs wrote: At least you're finding documentation. I've always found SAP to be horrible at documentation.
You are correct sir, and having table names like QQE@#22 and no foreign keys make things so much more fun to figure out.
Jeremy Falcon
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I think you'll find it is an app built by a semi competent developer in the 80s. Instead of scrapping it in the 90s and rewrite they have bolted more crap on top of existing crap. So you are wading through a pile if steaming crap.
There are a number of these "enterprise" applications that really need to be scrapped for something that is better written. The problem is the sheer amount of time and money invested in these dogs as organisations customise the app to get around limitations and cater for their specific requirements.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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I think you pretty much summed it up, and I'm sure it'll continue for a while longer no less.
Jeremy Falcon
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Well, why don't we do it?
There are certainly enough of us who can code, and enough with business knowledge/requirements.
It's actually a project that's big enough for CP to handle. There aren't many that big.
It would certainly be an opportunity to put feathers in a large number of caps.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Twould be a serious commitment of time and effort.
The mind boggles at the discussions around the requirements, I think you would get some sort of spec out in about 5 years, if ever.
I doubt you could even get an agreement on the platform(s) to be supported.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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