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I found so many questions downvoted lately in the Q&A formus by CP EXPERT. The majority of the questions are from new/fresh users trying to learn(who have just created an account).
I dont like this at all, as they lack the confidence and maturity to assume this downvote!
They will either avoid future questions or think of themselves as dumb while they are not!
Don't you think we should consider before downvoting ?
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Many/most/all of the questions that are down-voted are down-voted because:
0) The question simply says "it doesn't work", without then specifically outlining WHY "it doesn't work".
1) The question references code that the user did not bother to provide.
2) The user that posted the question made no effort to resolve the problem with even a cursory google search to find an answer (most questions posted in Q/A can be answered this way).
3) The user essentially didn't post a question as much as he posted a demand, aka "Send the codez - Urgent".
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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I totaly understand.
But, explaining your above points to newcomer is a 100% valid answer (to me).
Why discourage them when we can explain ?
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Noble sentiments, but when you look at 100 questions a day and 90 of them are questions you could google, questions that say they get an error but don't say what the error is or what line it occurred on, or that something "doesn't work", you get a little fatigued. It would be too much work to explain to everyone who asks a bad question why their question is bad. There are lots of links and articles on here about how to write a good question and people should follow basic netiquette and read them first.
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I havent seen a bad formated question from an old user.
I mean, if a newcomer learn from his first bad question, he will ask questions in the right way in the future.
However, a downvoted, may abandon using CP.
I personly think, we can either copy paste a default message, or paste a link to the forums rules url.
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Ziee-M wrote: I mean, if a newcomer learn from his first bad question, he will ask questions in the right way in the future.
I admire your blind faith; we have routinely explained this to many users and they don't learn. We had one user, Tridip Bhaterjee (I may be misspelling his surname) who had been here for 10 years, posted over a 1000 questions and still didn't do the basics. We ended up voting him off the site as he was just too much work.
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Ziee-M wrote: Why discourage them when we can explain ?
I see people post comments to these types of questions all the time asking for more info. More often than not, they never respond back.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it.
Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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Or they post the same thing over again, as if we hadn't read it right the first time.
"Asking questions is a skill" - and few ever develop it.
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OriginalGriff wrote: Or they post the same thing over again
In three different forums - PLUS The Lounge! 
Anything that is unrelated to elephants is irrelephant
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The problem with quotes on the internet is that you can never tell if they're genuine
Winston Churchill, 1944
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Never argue with a fool. Onlookers may not be able to tell the difference.
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OriginalGriff wrote: Or they post the same thing over again, as if we hadn't read it right the first time.
 I know. It kills me when they do that!
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it.
Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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Ziee-M wrote: Why discourage them when we can explain ?
You would be surprised at how many people, when asked to clarify the question, simply repost the same question, word for word.
Many of the down-votes are accompanied by requests to clarify.
I've been a user here for 17+ years, and the quality of the questions hasn't gotten any better over that time.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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i know.
I am not against downvoting, it actualy helps when explained with the right words.
Its not the case, too many downvote with no message at all (you can check today Q&A).
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I keep away from Q&A, but imagine it goes similar as on the forums.
We get help-vampires, requests to perform things that are illegal, and people who are outright lazy, not just beginning programmers. A downvote has almost no consequences - and in general, someone is paying for code - they may react a bit harsher then we.
Would you rather be roasted by me on the forum without consequences, or would you rather be roasted by the users when you release your stuff? Think about it 
And we do explain; I can see some lengthy answers in the forums that could be considered small articles. That's what keeps me here, and not on SO - people can go offtopic here (and do) and explore/explain other related stuff, or warn about pitfalls they already encountered.
I'll agree that a downvote should not be a hit-and-run thing. If one downvotes, an explanation is expected 
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
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When you tell the user to supply the code they have written so you can look at it, and there reply is: give me the code... they are not even bothering to read the responses.
Or when they say, "This is my first assignment" and refuse to offer up anything they've done... this is not the free homework society.
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: 3) The user essentially didn't post a question as much as he posted a demand, aka "Send the codez - Urgent".
That won't work - It has to be "Urgentz"! 
Anything that is unrelated to elephants is irrelephant
Anonymous
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The problem with quotes on the internet is that you can never tell if they're genuine
Winston Churchill, 1944
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Never argue with a fool. Onlookers may not be able to tell the difference.
Mark Twain
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I agree with you.
I think questions shouldn't be downvoted at all.
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How else can we vent our spleen? I've tried hitting my head against a brick wall but it does not make me feel better.
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I use my desk, and it does make me feel wonderful when I stop.
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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And the wall complains, by the way. 
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Richard MacCutchan wrote: I've tried hitting my head against a brick wall but it does not make me feel better.
Of course it does... but only when you stop
"I'm neither for nor against, on the contrary." John Middle
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Ziee-M wrote: many questions downvoted lately
What do you mean by downvoting? You can rate it from 1 to 5 or you can report it as unclear or not a question but you can't actually downvote.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it.
Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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Yeah, you can.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: Yeah, you can
How?
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it.
Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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It's all in the stars.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: It's all in the stars.
Which of course I mentioned. Downvoting, as you know, is something different. People often refer to downvoting a question and I don't know if they mean rating it 1 star or reporting it. It's important to communicate properly.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it.
Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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