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I have yet to meet that student. The ones I know paid for an education, and are willing to put a little effort in it.
I don't know if they pay or not for it, but if you just go to Q&A for a week you will find several examples of what we mean.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
But I tried it on my own, got errors, read things by myself in libraries (or more lately in the internet), changed some things, tried it again and learned from my own errors.
If you expect that from a student, then why would said student have to pay for any teacher or course?
I agree with you, that it should not be needed to do it. But if there is no other way to get the knowledge "you are paying for" because the teacher is that bad, at least do something against it and use the resources you have available due to that "paying for" (e.g. in my time: Laboratories, Library, specialized equipment...) and try to learn it on your own.
In one of the oral exams I had, my teacher started to ask me in deep detail because he thought I had copied the code instead of doing it myself. At the end, once the notes were given, before I got down of the tribune, he asked me... "and how did you do it? I have not explained that" my answer was "Yes, you bet you have not explained that, as well as many other things. But I investigated and asked teachers that do can explain". He got really angry and the rest of the people in the room started ROFLing. Luckily I had nothing to do with him anymore in the rest of my academic life.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
This is is what I considered case #1 and for what I have seen in all these years is... this kind of people always have and will always get help in CP. No matter how basic the question is as far as they show they tried it.
Not always, since they are sometimes flooded with messages that simply state that we don't do homework.
I see a lot of times people asking basics, getting help.
e.g. Q&A item or Q&A item
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
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When I started to work the infamous y2k bug was a big deal.
Sometimes I fear the y10k bug might be even bigger deal! With 8,000 years of accumulated .NET Software not supporting years bigger than 10,000BC!
Thinking that our great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-(x320....)-great-grandchildren will suffer due to some lazy lack of foresight that could have been easily averted leave me sleepless, sometimes....
Hey, don't knock the programmers. As always, it's the project planners and designers that are the fault: Obviously, they should have put those stones much closer together!
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