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Can you hear yourself? 8)

I agree, as a technical, knowledgeable user, it is possible to force Word (and I only chose Word because its the default word processor for many despite the fact that it is almost entirely unsuited to that task) to produce good quality output.

But how does the average user, screaming at their screen because all their bulleted lists from some arbitrary point onwards suddenly have a different indent level, or their tables don't line up with their text, make it do this?

I'm in a debate elsewhere inspired by this article: Software disenchantment @ tonsky.me[^] about how complexity and pursuit of the latest shiny thing has blinded both devs and users to the simple fact that much high-tech stuff is either unreliable, inefficient or simply bad at doing the things it was intended to do despite years of hardware and software 'progress'. This is because the users' requirements are not even part of the equation of much modern development, and the users are complicit in this!

We devs are also complicit - always wanting to use the latest 'framework' because it will solve all these problems, even though getting it installed and working takes days because the dependencies are not properly documented, some of the libraries are not up-to-date, our core language modules or browsers do not have some essential but omitted from the docs package installed etc etc. And even once it's working it needs the latest version of IoS or Android, thus making it unusable for billions of existing phone owners etc.

Mind you, it can go the other way: GDS (UK government digital service) have achieved a tremendous technical feat in amalgamating and making stylistically consistent many Government websites - however, they have in many cases entirely lost sight of why those sites exist and how they are used, leaving behind beautiful, easy to read websites where it is not obvious how to get to where you need to be when you are trying to achieve a particular task (eg paying your taxes), or containing basic noob mistakes in forms that were considered passe 20 years ago (eg not allowing spaces in credit card numbers but rejecting the number rather than silently ignoring the spaces, but only when you've reached the end of the form and submitted it). Yet you can bet the sites pass all the tests, because the sites are written to the tests, not to how real users actually use the pages.

I'm not trying to be rude here, but your reply illustrates the problem exactly!
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