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Looking at a few other recent posts it got me thinking about qualifications, degrees and such-like things.

Many decades ago I got a PhD in Computer Science and, at the time, I thought it was a good thing.

Now, when I look back at how useful it was to learn all that I realise that nearly everything I learned is obsolete and about as useful as knowing how a carburettor works in these days of fuel-injected engines.

A large part of it was learning the history of computing, Charles Babbage and his Difference Engine, Blaise Pascal and Herman Hollerith with punched cards, punched tape and other punchy things. I even learned about Jacquard looms for early machine automation. Compare and contrast tape drives (high capacity serial data access) and disc drives (lower capacity but random access) - notice the spelling of "disc drive". COBOL, FORTRAN, Pascal and other modern computer languages.

All good stuff at the time but completely irrelevant these days.

Back in 1977, my thesis (I can't even remember the title) was based on distributed computing with small home computers or remote terminals at least, all connected together via a universal network where one could write documents, do reports on things using a database or data files, send messages to other computer users, order on-line, even play games alone or with other networked players. I even wrote some games (in assembler and FORTRAN) to demonstrate how this could work.

Hah! Like any of that would really happen! WTF | :WTF:

For a few years I was a professor, teaching all this stuff to poor souls who though it was all new and exciting... then I got a proper job and the rest is history. You'll have to wait for my autobiography to hear about jet fighters Cool | :cool: , MI5 Suspicious | :suss: , chasing bandits in the mountains behind Hong Kong Dead | X| , and other boring, non-computer related stuff. Oh, the tales I could tell, once the Official Secrets Act period has expired! Unsure | :~

My son will shortly complete his second Masters degree and all he does is complain about how much money he owes on his student loan.

Anyway, finally to the question...
Do you think getting a degree these days is worth the time, effort and money or should we consider going back to the tried and trusted apprentice system (basically interns starting with minimal but focused, initial education)?
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.

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