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Yeah, in many companies, its regrettably a difficult relationship between the development and QA teams. It should be entirely collaborative, but can (unfortunately) so easily become adversarial.

I think it most often arises when companies de-value the benefits of QA.

Regrettably, many companies have two cultures: the actual culture and the aspirational culture shared in "feel-good" presentations. In the aspirational culture, the company values QA and factors in time for developers to support it. In the actual culture, it is often the opposite.

Unfortunately, as developers, we often have almost no clear requirements prior to a task. We often find ourselves simultaneously developing both the requirements and the code. As a consequence, we often have nothing concrete to share with QA until after the code is completed.

Comically, we are frequently not allowed any time, even when the code is completed, to write up information/documentation. This leaves QA with inadequate information to do their job. And, perhaps even more worrying, leaves customers in a similar situation.

The problem is sometimes worsened by ill-advised methodologies that require QA to begin testing simultaneous with the process of coding. It is absolutely possible to design tests for something with clear requirements, before coding is completed. It is similarly possible to be "agile" and start coding with unclear requirements. It is not possible to do both. This is simply fallacious thinking.

Sometimes, this leads to friction between the development and QA teams, since we are given competing agendas by the company. This can result in development misdirecting frustration at QA and vice-versa. They are simply both put in a bad situation by their company.

My guess is that sort of disconnect between aspirational and actual company goals, for development and QA, will always exist. Its simply too seductive for companies to chase short term gains at the expense of long term success. Regrettably, team cohesion and morale are the predictable casualties of that approach.
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