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...but if that's the case, some things are definitely falling through the cracks.
On many distributions, if I try to shutdown the system at a command prompt (typically with "shutdown -P 0"), I'm told I have to run sudo and I'm prompted for a password. Great feature, you wouldn't want any dumbass you share your computer with to be able to bring it down without showing he's got at least some amount of authority.
Yet that same user can select Shutdown from the UI, and it'll happily comply without prompting for anything else (or at most, a confirmation prompt).
If this was some sort of oversight, it would've been addressed years ago, no?
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Does the UI shutdown do a graceful one?
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Not sure if this is a trick question or not. Why wouldn't it?
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Just wondering why there would be a difference.
Mind you you need sudo to do a command line package install, but you dont through the ubuntu app.
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I'm using Fedora, and the UI too asks me for su credentials before install...
"The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge". Stephen Hawking, 1942- 2018
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I think filling in a Sudoku is a nice playful touch 
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Both are still not proper Operating Systems.
All flavors of Unix and DOS are just toys.
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VMS Rocks!
I'm currently unsupervised, I know it freaks me out too!
JaxCoder.com
modified 10-Mar-19 18:35pm.
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Spent many years on VAX machines, they were/are awesome!
I'm currently unsupervised, I know it freaks me out too!
JaxCoder.com
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And somewhere in 2020 we will have (or not?!) a version supporting Intel CPUs...
So we can dump Linux and Windows too...
"The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge". Stephen Hawking, 1942- 2018
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Wasn't the source code for VMS released to the public a few years ago? Then I guess it would just to rewrite the HAL - VMS was ported to both the Alpha chip and Itanium, so they probably have defined some useful hardware abstractions ... and Wikipedia also claims that "a port to the x86-64 architecture is underway".
Wikipedia says that OpenVMS is closed source(!), but the section "Hobbyist programs" suggests that it is open for hobbyist and non-commercial use. So even if my memory is wrong about it being made "fully open" fairly recently, you could at least call it "ajar software" 
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I really miss working on those old Vaxes (Vaxii?) VMS was the business!
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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Forogar wrote: I really miss working on those old Vaxes (Vaxii?) VMS was the business!
I really enjoyed working on them too! uVAX was an awesome machine!
I'm currently unsupervised, I know it freaks me out too!
JaxCoder.com
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We had a pair of VAX 785s (I think - my memory of the last millenium occasionally fails me) and were running real-time flight telemetry and analysis on them. So cool and, since we very close to the runway, very noisy! Jet fighters on reheat make a LOT of noise on take-off.
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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Maybe there were good uVax implementations. But the first attempt to build a small Vax was the 730. From a performance point of view, it was a nightmare!
Friends of mine were using it and reported that had timed the filling an 80 char input buffer with spaces to take 20 milliseconds. A process switch took 100 ms - 1/10 second(!). In their project, they had to change the software architecture from three to two processes (and redistribute the functions) in order to reduce the required number of process switches; that significantly increased the performance of their application. It took just a few weeks before someone got hold of a big yellow-green "Turtle Wax" sticker to put on the front panel of the machine.
The 730 was an extremely microcoded machine, with a highly vertical architecture: While the 780 had a 96 bit microcode word, so that it could issue 96 signals per microcycle, the 730 had 24 bits, heavily multiplexed. So the meaning of one bit could depend a lot on other bits, and had to be decoded by a logic network before sent to the actual circuits. The hardware itself was also far simpler, so it took a lot more microcycles to perform one complete machine instruction.
Even the 780 had some hardware limitations, the strictest one (for the performance) was that all page tables had to be resident in memory; it couldn't handle a page fault in the page fault interrupt handler. In 1970 or 80, our university had one 780 with a whooping 1 megabyte of RAM. Whenever the electronics guys ran their circuit layout program, which used immense amounts of virtual memory, they had to reboot the machine with a large page table configuration so that more than 600K was taken by the page tables and resident part of the OS, slightly more than 300 kbyte was available for paging of user programs and non-resident OS parts. You may call it "CPU abuse" to run a VAX 780 CPU on 1 megabyte of RAM, but if you weren't there at the time, you would never believe the cost of RAM in those days...
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The proper plural form is "vaxen". That was a commonly used terms in those days.
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So can I get an example of a "proper" operating system then?
OTOH, "proper" sounds like something that would be in conflict based on needs.
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Can't you just download the code and fix it ?
I'd rather be phishing!
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That argument again. Nobody seems to want to own it.
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I guess they figured if you were coming from a Unix/Linux background that's the way it's always been and you should know what to expect. But if you're coming from windows you need all the help you can get...you know the GUI thing and all!
I'm currently unsupervised, I know it freaks me out too!
JaxCoder.com
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I've never heard of a hardcore Linux guy who ever wanted to make anything easier for the Windows crowd. Remember that Linux has been described as "user-friendly, but it gets to choose its friends".
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The big kids put themselves in the sudoers group. 
Edit: then they type "sudo init 0" (shorter)
If you can keep your head while those about you are losing theirs, perhaps you don't understand the situation.
modified 10-Mar-19 16:41pm.
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theoldfool wrote: Edit: then they type "sudo init 0" (shorter)
No, we login as root and type halt. Dang lusers shouldn't be on my machine, anyway. 
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Seems a bit pointless, to me.
I mean, why on Earth would anyone ever want to shut down a computer?
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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