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Eddy Vluggen24-Jun-19 9:30
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gggustafson24-Jun-19 10:11
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SeattleC++25-Jun-19 6:32
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OriginalGriff24-Jun-19 9:10
protectorOriginalGriff24-Jun-19 9:10 
The problem is ... defining a "professional programmer", I think.

I class myself as "professional" - but I'm sure many would disagree because I write code with an eye to specification changes and maintenance rather than "clever code".

And many that I'd class as unprofessional* would disagree because "their code works" (despite it being assembled from bits found on Youtube and SO it compiles, and that counts as working as far as some are concerned).

Add in JSOP's fun and games with required certification recently and the prospects get remote because he isn't the only one who is going to squawk about the waste of time spent getting a piece of paper every year or two that says "I really do know what I am doing". Particularly when the current bits of paper just say "I can pass an exam in this".

When you also think that pretty much every country on the planet is pushing the young into software regardless of inclination, ability or (in extreme cases) active brain cells it gets even harder to set up a good association.

It'll come - eventually, and over a lot of shouting - when it becomes obvious that the whole world relies on software and the current crop is woefully poor quality. But just like doctors, pharmacists, teachers, et al, it's going to take a long time because the bad developers either don't realise they are poor, or they don't want to be found out.




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pkfox24-Jun-19 11:31
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RobertoPasquali24-Jun-19 23:10
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OriginalGriff24-Jun-19 23:15
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