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Rantsigh, printers suck these days Pin
lopatir17-Aug-19 8:27
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so couple of years ago bought a HP multifunction printer,
really only use it once a month or less
worked fine, replaced the 3 color cartridges once
then the black ran out. OK, new black (free extra when bought),
printer went about auto-aligning, and error message
switch off, wait, switch on, aligning, error message.
switch off, re-seat cartridges, switch on, same
it's dead. and yes, it's out of warranty.

OK, time to look for another printer. price range: cheap - mid $

inkjet: cheap but these days all crap build quality, expensive ink (that dries if little used)
inktank: expensive (ffs, it's the same thing with a bit of tubing), cheap ink, ink won't dry up but the heads will
laser: used to be reasonable but catching the same diseases as above-mentioned.

the manufacturers suck:
HP wants you on ink subscription (even worse numbers than ms office one-time vs o365)
brother: if just one tank empty the printer stops (yup no b&w if say only the pink is out.)
cannon: "cheap toner", but users report maybe 50 pages if lucky before they run out again
lesser brands: all have one or more of the above too
- not one [I'll be frank here] honest supplier anymore.

here's a treat: those new ink tank printers - the ink really is cheap, claimed as cheapest price per page, until...
they all have a "waste cartridge" as well, it's not cheap, and even more NOT user replaceable. ... must be sent to the service dept for replacement (and by then your model out of date it'll cost more then the printer did, more than a brand new printer.)


Summary of findings:
1. Cheap to mid price printers: all (yes really! every single one of them, even the eco/tank models) have some form or other built-in / by design obsolescence anything from a year to 3 (depending on warranty - not joking, it's planned).
2. NONE of the review sites, toms, techradar, pcmag..., not one even hints at that, still handing those pieces of junk 4.5 - 5 out of 5 stars and quoting price per page, lifetime tco and other stats based / extrapolated on very small very limited [manufacturer's] tests.
Fake news has nothing on the amount of bullshit [paid] review sites pump out.

oh, and if you're interested I've settled on the cheapest model **rox multi function laser. it's B&W only, that's fine - from almost a whole day of research it's the most reasonable (and surprisingly cheap) printer with a semi-reasonable lifespan and decent [real] lifetime tco.
(For color / quality / quantity I'll [continue to] "borrow" printer use at clients.)
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