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Chris Maunder wrote: the old guy meets a neurosurgeon and asks him to take a look at his sore back
Companion joke:
One day, a cardiologist stops by the Mercedes dealership to pick up his car, which he'd dropped off for routine service. The technician is just finishing up. As he wipes his hands and closes the hood, he tell the doctor:
"Hey Doc! I just realized we're a lot alike. Lots of tubes and wires, and we occasionally replace parts when things get broken. Maybe I should up my rates, huh?"
The doctor ponders for a moment, and then smiles.
"That may be true, but I do it with the engine running."
Software Zen: delete this;
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honey the codewitch wrote: I never took CS, because i never went to college
Outfits that only hire people with degrees could learn a lot from this. University has gotten so ridiculously expensive, not to mention politicized, that if I were running a firm that needed lots of software engineers, I'd seriously think about starting a technical school to train them.
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IBM had the "on the job training manuals". Operating systems, hardware, Autocoder. And the companies that made you take calls with no experience speeded the process along. This company had a no "CS" policy; they expected that trainees would stay on longer, and they were right. Programmer Aptitude Test used for screening several hundred candidates down to the requirement.
It was only in wine that he laid down no limit for himself, but he did not allow himself to be confused by it.
― Confucian Analects: Rules of Confucius about his food
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I will repeat myself : it depends on your problem space. If a company does nothing but make websites and web apps then a degree would likely be optional. My line of work is automation systems and in my over thirty years in it I have never worked with a successful engineer who did not have a degree. In fact, all of the worst programmers I have worked with had CS degrees and I have worked with several horrible programmers who had PhDs in CS. In this context, I define horrible as someone whose work had to be completely rewritten.
What I have found over those decades is there is a lot more to writing good software for automation than knowing computer science. The odd thing about this is the field of automation software is really not that specialized. We have to deal with nearly all aspects of typical software with only a few exceptions. Some people are just not very well-suited for it.
Sometimes I wonder how many of my former co-workers visit this site. 
"They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers! Can I get an amen?"
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honey the codewitch wrote: I never took CS, because i never went to college,
I only did 2 years of community college, where I took courses in English, Philosophy, and French. When the head of the CS department asked me to review his book on the Commodore PET for technical accuracy, I knew taking CS courses would be pointless. As did, of all things, take a Fortran course, using actual real punch card machines.  (This was 1980 for Pete's sake!)
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Having been an academic myself, and being an experienced programmer (by now), I do know what you're talking about. I think the main problem is that academics are only interested in the existance of a solution. Once they know the solution exists, the way to find it is uninteresting. And, provided they get to the point they've actually found a solution, they're not interested in optimizing it's performance.
However, if you specify a performance constraint as part of the problem, you can bring even academics to producing performant solutions. I've made it a habit to silently add such constraints to the problems handed to me in case there was no such constraint explicitely mentioned.
P.S.: Maybe I should mention that my Master was on Math and CS. That of course makes quite a difference.
GOTOs are a bit like wire coat hangers: they tend to breed in the darkness, such that where there once were few, eventually there are many, and the program's architecture collapses beneath them. (Fran Poretto)
modified 6-Jan-20 9:36am.
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PIEBALDconsult wrote: Not a fan of falsies?
I'm undecided. 
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More research is required?
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Marc Clifton wrote: Optional Chaining
Looks like c#. I like it. 
Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it.
Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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I first read your topic line as "Null Contamination" and wondered What. The. ![Elephant | [mastadon]](https://codeproject.global.ssl.fastly.net/script/Forums/Images/elephant.gif) . Is. That?
Software Zen: delete this;
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It's when nice, clean, empty variables get contaminated by having actual data stuffed in them.
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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My two favourite features of C# from the last couple of years. Good to see it being adopted by TypeScript (but not surprising!)
cheers
Chris Maunder
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Marc Clifton wrote: (Sorry for Medium post)
Dunno about everyone else but I felt like your post was fairly brief and not medium at all. 
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Hey Marc. I think you're beating me right now!!!!!!
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I almost managed to not start up the laptop for two weeks, but I got an email from a customer and they had a small problem so now I'm working again 
Got it fixed though and weekend is at the door so that's another two laptopless days 
Back to work on Monday
Let's see if I can still remember that syntax...
public int Add(int a, b As Integer) As Integer
{
return a + b
End FunctionAm I doing this right?
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Happy new year!
It appears that the offspring of siblings C# and VB is an awful monster.
"Five fruits and vegetables a day? What a joke!
Personally, after the third watermelon, I'm full."
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Sander Rossel wrote: Am I doing this right?
No. Because VB...
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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I think you just invented VD.Net
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Fireworks.
Did I manage to spoil your good mood?
"It is easy to decipher extraterrestrial signals after deciphering Javascript and VB6 themselves.", ISanti[ ^]
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Your first new year celebration in the Netherlands? 
It gets like a war zone in here, but I don't know any better so no, you didn't spoil my mood 
My alarm this morning did
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Sander Rossel wrote: Your first new year celebration in the Netherlands?
Yes. But I am used to fireworks so noise was not a problem. Smoke on the other hand was a big problem. I felt the amount of smoke generated by fireworks here was way more than those in India. I could not see the house across our street. It was fun to see unhinged calendar independent people around. 
Other than that, it was fun. Next year, I plan to do big fireworks myself (this year we only got little ones to not scare our little one) but I really need to find those which produce less smoke.
"It is easy to decipher extraterrestrial signals after deciphering Javascript and VB6 themselves.", ISanti[ ^]
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I'm almost sure you've missed an accent on top of the + sign.
Can't remember now if it must be ` or ´ though...
And Hàppy Néw Yèár!
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Very Beautiful 
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