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Ah, yes, the law can be very subtle and catch you unawares.
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Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson
You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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I'm glad your laws are readable. Most laws actually are in most places. However, when a particular law has 1000 pages and 200 addenda each with 100 pages, then you need a lawyer regardless of how "readable" and "understandable" a law is.
However, in this case, we're talking contracts between two entities. Such contracts become a law unto themselves and as such need to cover whatever eventualities you can think of and all the ones you can't think of. Can be rather thorny.
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Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson
You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote: when a particular law has 1000 pages and 200 addenda each with 100 pages
Lawbooks in the US are worlds apart from ours.
My most recent hardcopy complete collection of Norwegian laws is a few years old, but the total volume is less than 3000 pages. Out of that, the penal code is 65 pages (I was really surprised when I checked, that it is that compact). Within those 65 pages, it is well structured in sections for each class of criminal offense. Since my hardcopy was printed, we have had a major revision of the penal code, so maybe today's version is somewhat enlarged - but it certainly is within the same order of magnitude.
And, we've got a single national law. Not fifty different state laws, with federal laws on top of it. We have got no county or city laws. (You still have those in the US, don't you? Or is that something of the past? - I guess that could vary from state to state.)
"Laws" of the European Union (we are not full members, but in may areas we are obliged to follow their directives) are not true "laws", but directives for how the lawmakers in each country should phrase their national laws - which are the only laws you can be sentenced by - so that they are "harmonized" across national borders. If you compare counties even as close as Norway and Denmark, once one country, how differently they have interpreted the EU directives for harmonizing their laws, you may think that EU directives are mere jokes. (I know it from the copyright/IP side, but I have noticed it in other areas as well.)
For my favorite law, I have to pick up an older hardcopy - several years ago, the lawmakers did a cleanup, removing a lot of old and "irrelevant" laws. I think it is a pity that this one was axed, it is from 1687 (in an on-the-fly translation by me, which in no way should be considered autoritative):
"If any man's farm animal bites, beats or attacks another man's farm animal so that it dies, then the owner of the animal that killed shall pay a compensation to the man whose animal was killed. If the killed animal was a better animal than the one that killed, then half of the value of the killed animal shall be paid. If the animal killed was inferior to the one killing, the full value of the killed animal shall be paid."
So the owner of the brutal killing ox (or whatever) is faced with a choice: Should I admit that my neighbour's animals are better than mine, and get away with only compensating half its value, or should I be proud, inisisting that my oxen are a lot better than his, even though it it means that I will have to pay its full value?
I like this sort of "legal servo mechanism", sort of selv compensating. It makes me think of king Solomon. More laws should be in that style.
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Yeah, sounds rather Biblical.
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Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson
You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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I'm glad to hear it! 
Real programmers use butterflies
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Yay! Good for you!
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Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson
You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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Assuming the lawyer is always right is the first mistake. It's someone that managed to pass a particular exam.
It was only in wine that he laid down no limit for himself, but he did not allow himself to be confused by it.
― Confucian Analects: Rules of Confucius about his food
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Get on The Evil List: Which tech companies are doing the most harm?[^]
I mean, if you can't beat them, join them.
All these companies didn't get big for nothing.
And their CEO's are among the richest people on earth.
Clearly, it pays to be evil 
That said, I'll still continue to use 2, 3, 7 and 15 on the list.
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You'll probably be using No. 27, as well. 
I use Nos. 1, 3, 7, 15, and 27 on the list.
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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Never heard of them, sounds like something from a dystopian sci-fi movie.
I'm not from the USA so I'm probably not using it 
Amazon isn't big in the Netherlands because it has been absent for a long time.
I recently ordered something on Amazon.fr and Amazon.co.uk, but that's a coincidence.
Us Dutch get our stuff from bol.com
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Sander Rossel wrote: Never heard of them, sounds like something from a dystopian sci-fi movie.
I assume that in the Netherlands you use bicycle and/or windmill power (or possibly - Leyden jars )
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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Daniel Pfeffer wrote: windmill power
LOTS!
Daniel Pfeffer wrote: or possibly - Leyden jars
Never heard of them 
Daniel Pfeffer wrote: bicycle
Also lots, but not to power our houses
Unfortunately, our government decided to use lots of "green" bio mass which turned out to be not so green
Of course there were reports about this before they started using it, but the government ignored that and now they can't go back.
If the government was a company they'd be at the top of the evil list, then there would be a lot of nothing, then some more nothing, and then the list as it is now.
On the other hand, don't attribute to malice that which can simply be explained by stupidity.
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Hoist by their own petard: Numbers 8 and 2 are prominently linked right at the top of the article...
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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And on the bottom as well.
Perhaps the most evil thing about these companies is that it's hard to do without, or perhaps that's what made them evil in the first place.
I could do without 8 and 2, but lots of companies obviously can't.
But can you imagine a modern life without Google? 
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I don't use 2 or 8, never have done. But without google, you're left with Bong* - and MS is on their list as well ...
* yes, yes - I know of Duck Duck Go and such like, but I remember how they introduced themselves - by adding toolbar after toolbar to browsers until you had more tools than browsing window...
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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OriginalGriff wrote: * yes, yes - I know of Duck Duck Go and such like, but I remember how they introduced themselves - by adding toolbar after toolbar to browsers until you had more tools than browsing window...
You mean like this one?[^]
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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I don't see one from DDG there -- AFAIK, they don't even produce one.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Sander Rossel wrote: can you imagine a modern life without Google?
I have android phones, but I also have google blocked, both on the phones and on my computers.
It's extremely easy to live without google.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Mark_Wallace wrote: I have android phones
Mark_Wallace wrote: I also have google blocked
If you have an android phone, are they not tracking you already? Unless you remove all Google apps and revert to stock OS.
"It is easy to decipher extraterrestrial signals after deciphering Javascript and VB6 themselves.", ISanti[ ^]
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Exactly, block apps all you want, but there's nothing you can do, on the phone itself, about the underlying OS.
Block all inbound/outbound connections to all Google properties at the router, then I'll believe claims about "living without Google".
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I have used custom ROMs earlier and I found Cyanogenmod (now Lineage OS) to be quite good. That way I know Google is not tracking me. Someone else from that community of devs is.
"It is easy to decipher extraterrestrial signals after deciphering Javascript and VB6 themselves.", ISanti[ ^]
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Ahhh, that's quite the important detail to leave out.
Yeah, I remember tinkering with Cyanogenmod with my oldest tablet (Android 2.1 (!!!) I think) and being rather intrigued. The manufacturers for my "newer" tablets have made more of an effort to lock them down however, and I hadn't had much luck with it since or with LineageOS - not that I've tried very hard. Are Android 4.3/4.4, and 6.0-based tablets now too old for anyone part of the Lineage project to bother supporting?
Heck, I almost had Xubuntu installed on my HP Stream 7 tablet - I can walk through the entire installation process (mouse, keyboard fully supported), but it refuses to do much of anything past the first reboot.
I'm all in favor of giving old hardware new purposes. I haven't managed to replace Android 4.3 on my second-oldest tablet, but at least I make use of it daily - displaying the real-time bandwidth usage page from my router.
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dandy72 wrote: The manufacturers for my "newer" tablets have made more of an effort to lock them down
I used a Xiaomi phone for some time. It was loaded with bloatware with a couple of apps/services which you would not be able to see unless you really dig in. I discovered those are to provide targeted ads and decided to get rid of their MIUI. Since they had locked down unlocking, rooting etc. It took me a while to find how to remove the OS. It turned out I had to download a desktop application provided by them and then request from there. Then they will reply over email or something and then I could do what I want. Finally, I did manage to get LineageOS on it and then everything was great except that I missed the camera application they had. Luckily I had backed up everything so I could get parts of MIUI camera working on this custom OS. Realizing this is too much work, I sold that phone and got myself a shiny new Pixel 2 XL (sold my soul). It was very expensive phone but, I bought it a week after Pixel 3/3 XL were released so shops had leftover 2/2 XLs which they gave away with massive discounts. They did try to up-sell but I had checked and could not find anything new in 3/3XL that would interest me.
dandy72 wrote: Are Android 4.3/4.4, and 6.0-based tablets now too old for anyone part of the Lineage project to bother supporting?
Probably. Since demise of Cyanogenmod, the group working to keep the OS alive has become really small. So they might be focusing on what is most used. It is simply my guess.
dandy72 wrote: I'm all in favor of giving old hardware new purposes. I haven't managed to replace Android 4.3 on my second-oldest tablet, but at least I make use of it daily - displaying the real-time bandwidth usage page from my router
Nice. I had a phone earlier with broken screen. I used it as dash cam on the car. I could not use standard camera video for it though. I found an app called AutoGuard which was neat.
"It is easy to decipher extraterrestrial signals after deciphering Javascript and VB6 themselves.", ISanti[ ^]
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Capitalism evil. Uggh 
Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it.
Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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