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W Balboos, GHB20-Feb-20 4:58
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I am not getting it at all...

A generation ago, you could buy spray cans with "air freshener" to make your living room smell like, say, a pine forest. (Maybe these products still exist in other parts of the world; here I haven't seen them for many years.)

Discussing the quality of coffee served in paper cups (or plastic cups) is like discussing which of these "air fresheners" would give the most satisfying feeling of being out in a pine forest. With the only difference that in a huge metropol, the nearest pine forest may be a hundred miles away. Most likely you wouln't have to walk (in the USA: drive) more than a handful miles to the nearest shop selling you whole coffee beans, that you can pour into your grinder with a grain of cardamom (not too much - it should never give a taste of cardamom, just a slight aroma). You put the ground coffee into the filter, pour boiling water over it, and you get real coffee, the way it is meant to taste!

Sure, when you're on the run, with no time for anything but what's available, then you grab whatever is available and don't give a sh*t. But what is the purpose of discussing / evaluating the various qualities of sh*t??

I guess I know. It has to do with lots of people never caring to make themselves a decent cup of coffee. They never cared to buy whole coffee beans (or cardamom fruits); in their kitchen they haven't got coffee filters for a Moccamaster or even a simple filter holder and a water kettle. Briefly said: They have never experienced the taste of real coffee.

It isn't limited to coffee. You can see people discussing various diaper teas (tea bags), without ever having tasted "real" tea. Or canned soups, never having been served a soup made from fresh vegables and meat/fish and freshly boiled broth. Discussing alternative plastic packed bread, never having tasted bread still warm from the oven.

There is a strange belief that cooking takes a lot of effort and time, so you "have to" use pre-factored products. When we got these "Ready-for-use" pre-packaged bags of oats porrige, "Just add water and bring to a boil", one of my friends commented, "Isn't that exactly what you do with plain oats at one third the price?" - well, you may have to add a pinch of salt, but that is the main difference!

A friend of mine distinguishes between the bottles of home made strawberry juice from berries picked on sunny days or on cloudy days; they have distinctly different character. You won't ever see that kind of distinction in something sold by CCC! At one occasion when I was served waffels with strawberry jam, I commented that I sure enjoy homemade strawberry jam, but nowadays you rarely are offered jam from wild strawberries! and the housewife gave me a broad smile for recognizing that quality.

I am certianly not suggesting that we all should learn to distinguish between two and three Michelin star restaurants. I am talking about mass produced food and super mass produced food. I am just saying that by making your own, from a cup of coffee and upwards, from ingredients of reasonable decent quality, you can get a lot more quality, and not the least: a lot more variation, than from those super-mega-factory pre-made products that make a virtue never to taste any better than the two thousand times you have tasted the same thing from the same manufacturer.
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