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Greg Utas wrote:
state-run schools have become peddlers of all sorts of nonsense.
That is exactly my problem with private schools - mostly run by religious fanatics whose most important reason for doing it their way is to censor information that they think should the kids should be "protected against". Mostly, it has to do with all sorts of science. Second, it is about socalled "morals" - e.g. that there are actually people out there who question their religious beliefs.

My impression of home schoolers is that a fair share of them are even more religious fanatics than the churches who run private schools. They can be more exterme - no kid from other families will be running home reporting on what the teacher had said or done.

Some private schools are not explicitly religuous, but tout e.g. alternate pedagogical methods. When parents use that as an argument for homeschooling, it is often a blatant cover-up for religious brainwashing.

I had a daughter going to a Steiner (Waldorf) school, presumably non-religious, for three years. When all their reading execizes were based on biblical myths, the songs generally had a religious content, and the scene plays they performed for the parents both before Christmas and summer vacation were biblical, then it certainly isn't quite as non-religious as they try to pretend. Furthermore, when I told my daughter about how far from the real Bible stories their reading and myths were, and we dug up the black book for a comparison, she was honestly shocked.

There are certainly aspects of public schools that I strongly question. Yet, if I had kids in school age today, I would find it a lot easier to track the education the were receiving, to supplement that. I did that when my daughter switched from Steiner to public school. E.g. I went through her "Religions" book, which had hardly a single non-leading question/problem/exercise, and made for each chapter a series of "Alternate questions and exercise" that her classmates could access on the internet. Some of my questions were biased the other way, but setting the two up against each other surely made the kids consider bias in problem statements much more seriously.

I also had to help her with the math: The book was thick of "modern pedagogical principles" that made me fully realize why so many kids are scared of math! At one occasion I had difficulties understanding what the h they meant by the exercise (I have a M.Sc. degree, and this math book was for 8th grade). When I finally found out, and explained it to my daughter, she exclaimed: Is is that simple?? But why didn't they say it that way, then?

I would never leave my children's education 100% to public schools, schools with alternate pedagogical methods or religious schools, without following it up closely. With Steiner schools, that is next to impossible. With public schools, it is. And they are more in my line of thought (although the reason why we tried out Steiner was that some of their principles and methods certainly sound attractive, and in my style).

Taking the full teaching responsibility myself? No way! I think that it is of fundamental importance that kids receive inputs from a large number of sources, and learn to sort them out. I cannot teach them my values by hiding other impulses, but by teaching them the way I do my sorting and evaluation. My kids shall not be copies of me; they should make their own judgements. A student who is always true to his teacher is a poor student. I believe in giving kids as rich set of impulses as possible. I very rarely see homeschooling contributing to that.
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