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MarkTJohnson wrote: we call them "boo-ees"
Except for when we talk about "buoys and gulls".
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I use bit different technique:
I drop it in water!
If SHE sinks: Female ant
If HE sinks: Male Ant
Amit Joshi
Value of the value is valued only if its value is valued.
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Only the females... 
Anything that is unrelated to elephants is irrelephant
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I'm printing in PETG now (ABS was a PITA) for a specific project: And printing in PETG[^] shows the piccy.
And I have an A2 sheet of clear PETG arriving today, Royal Mail permitting.
It's slow, but it's working, I think - I won't know until I get to try it properly as this is teh first "usable" print - bed adhesion problems mostly.
It's not my design, but it's open for non-commercial use: PrusaPrinters[^] - they will allow you to charge for materials if you do supply them, but no profit.
The setup I'm using is PETG "Translucence Blue" 1.75mm, 220C head, 60C bed, 80mm/s print speed, fan 25%, with a Brim, sliced and USB printed from Ultimaker Cura 4.4.1, using unmodified STL files - POETG is pretty finicky about fans, it might benefit from slightly less, and I'd like to reduce the stringing, but I can live with it if it saves a day of playing and gets prints out. I might reduce the head temperature 5C and see how it goes, but (assuming Anycubic are at all accurate) I'm at the bottom end of the filament manufacturers recommended print temperature as it is.
Takes about three hours per frame, and needs to be watched as the stringy bits can gather into a blob of snot and catch the head as it goes round. (Hence why it's unboxed, I need access to the print to clear blobs quickly.)
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
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PETG is a breeze to work with and it's a great filament, I use it now almost exclusively.
Only setting I change is z-offset about =.1mm to -.2mm and it sticks just fine.
I'm hiding from exercise...I'm in the fitness protection program.
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How is it on stringy-ness for you? Any suggestion to reduce (or preferably eliminate) it?
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No I've had no problems with stringiness. To me it's just as easy to work with as PLA.
Every machine is different!
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JaxCoder.com
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Sorry guys, my phone autocorrected a word this morning. Should be
It’s not rare the non-English royal is in bother (8)
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Too late, I think - you are up tomorrow.
What was it?
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I’ll give it an hour or so. It’s not difficult - surprised you haven’t got it yet.
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Leave it for tomorrow
M.D.V. 
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Answer please ?
"We can't stop here - this is bat country" - Hunter S Thompson - RIP
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One of the main advantages of C# and Java is their use of a virtual machine. It abstracts the dependency on the underlying hardware. But dont containers also do that by allowing us to have whatever OS we want independent of the underlying operating system OS ? So why do we continue to use VMS in a world of containers ? And if the use of VMS goes , does that mean the writing is on the walls for languages that use them, such as C# and Java, or will we simply see a move away from the vm and revert to having the code more tightly coupled to the underlying OS ?
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If "abstracting the dependency on the underlying hardware" is the criterium for a VM, then PDF readers are VMs, and even some word processors -- in fact, it could be said that anything that transports commands to OS peripheral interfaces is a VM.
For me, being in a purist mood, a VM has to effectively sidestep the underlying OS of the computer, by running files on a different OS on top of the underlying OS.
Do C# and Java do this? Not so far as I know, they don't; they may abstract things a tiny bit further than a PDF reader does, but it's still only abstraction.
They are programs that allow you to open, run, and use certain files.
Notepad does that much, for Heaven's sake!
So stop calling spades shovels, and the "problem" highlighted by the article disappears.
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Of course they do it , the code is compiled to intermediate language in .net and that is executed in the runtime virtual machine. It is this virtual machine that may be impacted in the case of code running in containers since the software environment is now controlled. The hardware isnt, but the software is .
In that case are the benifits of using the runtime virtual machine as compelling . Of course not all code runs in containers, and it never will, but in the case of containers are there any advantages that can be gained by having control over the software enviornment? Potentially do we need the VM in its current form (in containerised apps) .
If we dont ( and I am not saying we dont I am mulling over the question) but if we dont need the VM then isnt that a bit of a kick in the teeth for languages that use a VM such as c#,vb.net, java, python etc. Will we see an emergence of a language more suited to containerised apps?
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Andrew Torrance wrote: the code is compiled to intermediate language in .net and that is executed in the runtime virtual machine. It is this virtual machine that may be impacted in the case of code running in containers since the software environment is now controlled. The hardware isnt, but the software is .
I'd call that a sandbox.
To me, a VM has to allow the hardware and peripherals to be governed by a different OS (or another instance of the same OS).
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In all honesty many people replying have been banging on about VMS (or VMs for the pedants) as if I was talking about the traditional virtual server. I'm not, I am talking about the run time virtual machines integral to program execution in many languages. Not really a sandbox , they are referred to by the term virtual machine , hence the confusion. My bad for not being clearer.
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Here's the thing: Java and .NET have their own instruction sets (there's even a microprocessor that can run Java baremetal). So in my eyes it makes them "VM-y enough".
a VM has to effectively sidestep the underlying OS
What do you mean about that? Is a paravirtualized kernel not a VM in your terms because it uses the host's OS API to perform its tasks? Or KVM, because again, it utilizes OS-supplied methods?
running files on a different OS on top of the underlying OS
What about virtualizing MCUs/PICs or whatever embedded systems for testing purposes, which have no OS?
Is anything a VM then?
PDF readers are VMs
I'm not sure about PDFs, but PostScript engines are definitely VMs
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That doesn't make any sense, they're completely different things.
Both containers and VMs can run C# and Java applications, but not vice versa.
C# ad Java can be used to create new applications, while VMs and containers, well, can't because they're very different things.
VMs can be used for work computers, servers, sandboxes, etc. and give you a complete OS on top of your OS.
Containers just run a piece of (non-UI) software on the existing OS.
If you really have to ask this I suggest you do some reading on the topics.
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Well, JVM/dotNET do virtualize some aspects - they are virtualization techniques. You can say the same about a lot of computer concepts: Any compiler virtualizes the instruction set of the CPU. A file system driver creates virtual storage unit where you don't have to handle sectors and track and surfaces. And so on.
I see a lot of computer people that seem to think that virtualization is one specific thing: Creating a complete virtual hardware CPU / memory / IO environment. If you don't provide all of that Hyper-V or VMware provides, it is not virtualization. If you provide something not found in Hyper-V/VMware, then it it has nothing to do with virtualization.
I beg to differ. Virtualization can cover an arbitrary set of virtualized aspects. Bytecodes is one aspect. Memory paging is another. File system drivers is a third. Yes, you are right that containers can run C# applications but not vice versa. You could say something similar: A file system driver can be realized in byte code but a byte code interpreter cannot be realized by a file system driver, so they are completely different things. Yet both are virtualizations.
I have been arguing with Docker gurus who consistently insist that containers are NOT virtualization! But Docker does create virtual networks, a virtual address space, virtual disks... It is not the entire set of VMware virtualizations, but ... No, Docker gurus insist that Docker is lightweight, efficient, nothing like resource hogs like VMware/Hyper-V! Whatever Docker does must be called something else - even if it is exactly the same as virtualization.
So even people who are working with such issues more or less full time do not have a comprehensive understanding of what virtualization is in a more general sense, but stick to specific instances of it. It should come as no surprise that a less experienced fellow have problems keeping things straight 
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Agreed on everything, but we weren't discussing the strict meaning of virtualization 
The question was if containers will mark the end of VMs, and the answer is no because they are different things.
Or, to speak in your terms, they virtualize different things
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Agree fully on that conclusion!
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Agree fully on that conclusion!
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