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Can nowadays be had from other sources, yes. To illustrate my point, how is your weight doing? And yes, plants and animals are food, always has been like that in nature. Your cat does not share your morals, it will simply ignore lettuce.
Sander Rossel wrote:Which can be had from other sources as well.
We still don't need the amount we consume today.
And we sure as hell don't need to torture those animals for it.
Fact remains, animals are NOT "made out of food."
A law we invented because it makes living together as a society a bit easier. That has never been extended to animals; that's why one is called murder, and the other is simply slaughter (and taxed).
Sander Rossel wrote:The only thing keeping me from killing you is some made up law (well, that and I don't actually want to kill you).
In nature, there is no "right thing". There's only survivors. How come you think you have more entitlements than the Covid-virus? Did you not simply take those rights? What granted those rights to you, and not to gutworms?
Sander Rossel wrote:By that logic, none of us is entitled to anything.
Just saying, just because you can doesn't mean it's the right thing to do.
We can and did. We even standardized its testing, and some animals do the same tests (and succeed).
Sander Rossel wrote:First, define intelligence.
You mean those in the "kinderboerderij"? The ones whos beak and claws is cut? An undamaged rooster is a dangerous animal.
Sander Rossel wrote:Chickens are very nice and social creatures by the way.
They want to sit on your lap and everything.
Point is that laws and moral have no place in nature, and animals have no God-given rights. We have those because it makes living together easier, but it doesn't mean that violence does not exist in our species anymore - nor that evolution has been halted. People still try to get ahead of the competition. That's also why countries don't work together, even in the EU - we are competing for resources.
Sander Rossel wrote:Is that an invitation to beat the crap out of you?
Or an excuse to beat the crap out of whoever you like?
No it's not, so what's your point?
Others claim it came from a lab; there's no proof for your statement, and anything that can be eaten, will be. There's no list of animals that "should not be eaten". Anything that walks, crawls, flies, or swims is food.
Sander Rossel wrote:Well, it does come from an animal
we weren't some Chinese wasn't supposed to eat.
So what? Since when are they "entitled"? In other places they eat cavia's (which should be eaten like chicken, with your hands).
Sander Rossel wrote:Oh by the way, they eat cats and dogs because cats and dogs aren't entitled to anything.
A generation ago, that "fun experiment" was done each Christmas. That's why kids were taught not to play with their food - it creates an attachment to your Flappie. Done right, that Flappie has a good life, lives protected (meaning, no struggle for survival, no bad weather, no predators, just growing fat comfortably) with limited suffering when harvested.
Sander Rossel wrote:Fun experiment, they once personalized a cow, gave it a name and everything.
What does that tell you about people?
And one culture's pet, is a plague in other countries - see the rabbit in Australia. Those furry rats have no entitlements. They do not differ from other rodents, except in taste.
The line you draw is a cultural one and ours is just one of many. It's not superiour and it will be replaced in time by a more succesfull version.
Not intended to change your mind about being vegetarian; I agree with you that we eat too much meat, often without knowing where it came from. I'll also agree that a good tasty meal does not require meat to be present. What man doesn't want to hear is that all animals are equal (rats, dogs, gutworms, humans). All struggle for survival, and where they need not, they multiply until they become a burden to the local ecosystem, even to the point of endangering it (and their own survival). The thing that sets us apart from the rabbits in Australia is that we can actually think about the problem and the limits of the ecosystem.
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