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honey the codewitch23-Sep-20 7:39
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I've had to hire for several firms. I don't think probing technical questions are even the best way to find good developers.

Testing how people think is I think the best approach, but it's not always easy to come up with good questions for this.

If I had my way, I'd be able to give each candidate a simple set of functional requirements and have them produce a small application (like notepad)

then I'd look at the code.

However, in practice, I've never had the opportunity to look at someone's coding style on demand like that. Whiteboarding is one thing, but it only gets you so far.

When I do ask technical questions they are usually things like what is the practical difference between a linked list and a vector just to make sure they aren't totally wasting everyone's time but I can get that out of the way on the phone in a lot of cases.

What I really look for though - and this puts a candidate on a shortlist for me is - do they love to code? Is it a passion? If the answer is yes, I can assume a fair number of important things about them, like that they will throw themselves at a new coding challenge rather than avoid them. The green ones are not always the best project managers, but they typically make solid coders who learn fast. Talent comes from passion, IMO. The nice thing about this, is you can tell. Do their eyes light up when they talk about code, or is it just a job to them? You can almost always tell when someone is really passionate about what they do.

All that being said, I guess it should be obvious that I profoundly disagree with the techniques of interviewers you had. The questions they asked didn't find talent, and didn't really rate your ability. It seems like a poorly executed question attempting to get at the way that you think. And apparently it was complicated enough to trip up the interviewer themselves, which led them to passing over you. It sounds like they think an interview is an attempt to outsmart others and they succeeded in only outsmarting themselves.

Even when I'm in your shoes I'm always the interviewer. The question in my mind when I approach a company is do *I* want to work for you? That has always served me well.

You know what I think? I think you don't want to work for people like that anyway.

I don't think they know how to find talent, so they probably don't appreciate the talent they have. If they did, one of them would have been interviewing you and what happened to you wouldn't have happened. So maybe they can't retain good people. It happens to a lot of large companies. Google and Microsoft work very hard knowing that. Maybe try them out. Laugh | :laugh:

Sorry for the long winded reply. I have a lot of feelings about the way the field hires.
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