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honey the codewitch11-Feb-21 6:12
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I'm the first person to argue that logic is overrated, but the more I deal with the frustration that is other people the more I wish it wasn't.

Logic doesn't persuade most people most of the time. I've found if you want to persuade someone of something the most expedient and indeed effective way to do so is to attach some sort of reward to the belief, like membership in a social group (people want to belong - what this means in real world terms is there is strength in numbers), or financial reward "i pay you to agree with me"), or otherwise, getting them what they want. Another thing that can work is emotional appeal.

Logic is good for - if you're good at this sort of thing - verifying *one's own* beliefs against our ego, that constructs them most often in defense of our id. So we have to check them to make sure they're sound because for most people most of the time - we don't arrive at our beliefs empirically, even if we think we do. We can check our beliefs with logic though. The bottom line is logic helps oneself but rarely helps other people.

In the 19th century John Stuart Mill wrote as much in "The Oppression of Women" - in so many words.
Real programmers use butterflies

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