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Plus I think the browsers need to proceed with the rendering anyway.
Ain't nobody interested in improving user experience on web pages anymore ?
Designers, managers and marketing people think that the user-experience is "how they experience it". So, reading a page has to be an experience.
As a programmer, I think of it in terms of usability and accesability. Does your site allow for high-contrast color schemes if set in Windows? Most webpages don't, and think that it is more important that their own colors are used.
I especially like the pages that throw away all the info you entered after 15 minutes.
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Having the site remember that you logged in is convenient, which for many people trumps privacy.
(CP has also earned our trust by not allowing the user list to be used for marketing purposes)
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Is it not true though that GDPR doesn't apply to cookie tokens unless they're used for tracking/behavioural analysis?
Remember-me's, Csrf tokens, and session tokens that are required only for the purpose of enabling a website to operate don't require any special permission.
WE - perhaps not, users - even if they do they can feign ignorance and claim they don't in order to have something to moan about, lawyers - if they know their business they will, marketing artists - as for lawyers.
If a site requires tracking cookies further down the line then adding both those and acquiring the users permission should be part and parcel of the same implementation. Besides, as it seems this thread has already established, plonking more complication on the UI than is needed is annoying at the basic level and as is the case with GDPR prompts, misleading if it isn't necessary.
Anyway, it doesn't affect me. I already wrote to my MP and told her that I want as many cookies as I can get.
The problem is the developers.
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There is huge pressure to have your sites load fast. Not fast on a desktop, but fast on a mobile device with dodgy 3G connectivity. That's how w're all being judged in Google's Page Rank algorithm (plus the content, of course). Google's gone as far as to say that slow sites will get highlighted as being slow in search results.
Your Time-To-First-Byte, Time-To-First-Meaningful-Paint and all the other metrics then look really good to Google. You can still then customise the page where needed. The losers are then the developers who have to go through these hoops and the users dealing with the Frankensites.
We're having exactly this debate at CodeProject right now. Hosting is not cheap. Hardware is not cheap. Developer time is silly stupid expensive. Yet you have to do what it takes to work around Google's arbitrary rules.
It's particularly frustrating that we, a developer site predominantly used (and most useful) as a desktop site for devs currently at their desktop with their IDEs open, are judged on how fast we load on a $100 Android device in rural Saskatchewan.
Very interesting, I was not aware of this.
Though, I am wondering if Google is not missing the point there : what they want is happy users by having fast-loading sites - in the end, is is not what they get, but for different reasons. Is there also a Time-To-Last-Byte ?
We have huge data requirements - we have one table that's got 500k records with over 600 columns. And yes, that's the way it's stored. It's obscene, and that's just one table.
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