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Hehe..
No if university/college is free, why wouldn't you go? So the poor paying for the rich argument is void, the only people who would not go are those that cannot pass or don't want to go.
Phew.. this is a Hornet nest....
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Nemanja Trifunovic wrote: In effect, it means that poor pay for the rich.
No, if the "system" is fair. Poor pays only a little fee (or even nothing) and rich pays more.
Note that I'm not poor nor rich. I'm in the middle 
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Nemanja Trifunovic wrote: In effect, it means that poor pay for the rich.
Actually most of the millionaires either dropped out or never went to college.
Jeremy Falcon
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How much was my student loan?
How much are you in debt just now?
I paid off my student loan about 5 years ago. However, since then..... (*think closure - just forget about it - it's not worth thinking about it any more - yes, I know she was a stupid cow who nearly wrecked your life, but its over now*) 
Never mind.
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"If a man empties his purse into his head, no man can take it away from him, for an investment in knowledge pays the best interest." -- Joseph E. O'Donnell
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
Cheer up mate! The only kind of closure that really counts anyway, is the kleene closure. 
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: The only kind of closure that really counts anyway, is the kleene closure
Yes, she had lots of regular expressions - all of them highly manipulative.
ColinMackay.net
"Man who stand on hill with mouth open will wait long time for roast duck to drop in." -- Confucius
"If a man empties his purse into his head, no man can take it away from him, for an investment in knowledge pays the best interest." -- Joseph E. O'Donnell
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Yeah, the first one is easy. I never had a student loan so the answer is zero. The second one, well lets just say running your own business is not cheap. Thank goodness for banks and low interest rates
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Over here in Ireland the government abolished 3rd level fees a good while ago so there are no charges (other than a small registration charge at the beginning of each year... normally ~€400).
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So I never needed a student loan!
Marc
Pensieve
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You and me both!
Interesting enough, my first "big" job was with Best Consulting, before they became Venturi Partners. I had several technical interviews, and believe it or not, I was never even asked about college.
About 3 weeks after I started with Best, one of the Sales guys happened to ask which college I had gone to. I replied that I hadn't, and that was the end of that!
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Paul Brower wrote: and that was the end of that!
Well, their loss!
Marc
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No, No, I stayed with them ... I meant they didn't care.
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I'm on my third technical 'real world' job and never once was I asked about college. Good thing because I'm a 2nd year drop-out.
It seemed like once I said I knew X, Y, and/or Z, they found their candidate. In the end, experience trumps all.
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I'd be interested in a survey about how much money "College Graduate" developers make in contrast to those without a degree.
Based on my experience (16 years worth), I'd say the Non College Graduates make substantially more.
** Now for those of you with a degree that make a lot of money **, please let's not start a fight here ... I'm sure there are plenty of you, but you are the exception to the rule.
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Where I live, if you don't have a college degree, then you won't make it past the resume filtering process.
So in this case, a college degree will help you out when facing a lot of job competition.
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You have to be talking about a very narrow scope of people to think that Non College Graduates make substantially more than college graduates.
Your Non College Grads include you McDonald's, trash collectors, etc.
It seems like your statement is fully articulated by "Those Non College Graduates that were able to get a job programming (or start their own business, or basically generate income) and stick it out to gain good experience seem to make substantially more money than the typical college graduate"
But this is an unfair comparison. You are comparing the most dedicated, abmibitious or lucky non college grads to the average college grad (since you excluded the college grads that make a lot of money and you call them exceptions to the rule).
** This is not a fight, just an opposite point of view to your statement **
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...we have somewhat different policy regarding loans, so I never had one
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And I assume you still have your arms and legs
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No offence taken , but I cannot fully understand (and appreciate) what you meant to say Could you make it clearer?
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I was joking (kind of) that if you don't pay your loans in Russia, then the russian mafia takes a limb (i.e. arm, leg).
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I see. And the remainings are fed to bears, who as you know wonder all over the state
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