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I have seen many problems with the message board trees. For example the following[^] comment I made looks like it has children (replies): this is not the case, these replies belong to another entry in this thread but when I added mine it hijacked them. If you look at the times the messages were posted you can see something weird is going on. I've seen complaints about this in the past (I think). This can break the flow of the conversation and could even result in someones comments being missinterpreted.
So my suggestion is this:
Can you fix this?
Steve
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Stephen Hewitt wrote: Mutant trees
The thread reads this way to me as below. Is the order correct??
1) You (Stephen) replied the OP (ppatel567).
[Quote]"This is called a Forward Declaration ..."[/Quote]
2) ppatel567 answered you that he hadn't got the point after having read your explanations.
[Quote]"I still dont get it "[/Quote]
3) grigsoft suggested ppatel567 that he is not obligated to use forward declarations, and should avoid using it if he hadn't understand it well.
[Quote]"Well, you don't have to use it anyway ... it can be avoided."[/Quote]
4) You (Stephen) questioned why to avoid.
[Quote]"Why would you want to avoid it? "[/Quote]
Maxwell Chen
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No. The reply to my post actually predate my post as can be seem from the post dates. It is not a reply to my message.
Steve
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Stephen Hewitt wrote: All the replies to my post actually predate my post as can be seem from the post dates.
You're right!! I hadn't noticed the timestamp. 
Maxwell Chen
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It seems that when I post a message, the rendered sig is not using the font size I specified. If I hit refresh, it fixes it.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
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Sigs are for sissies! 
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I would like to suggest code project to add Delphi and Delphi.Net as they are great products and there exist a good number of members who can enjoy your site.
MerchantSOFT - Where Software Development is Passion
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Perhaps English programming can be added too? 
Steve
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Stephen Hewitt wrote: English programming
Don't !!! Please not.
Maxwell Chen
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The Osmosian Order wrote: English programming
But your programming way is too verbose. Say if I want to count value like the code snipet below:
int val = 1 + (oldval % 10); How do you do that in your plain English programming??
Maxwell Chen
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The Osmosian Order wrote: I'm not sure what your statement is doing and why it is necessary, so I can't be more specific. I am sure, however, that you have acheived conciseness at the expense of clarity. Your statement is unnatural and obscure - show it to 10 people at random on the street if you're not convinced.
What I wrote, int val = 1 + (oldval % 10); , is in the C/C++ Language.
Take a look at THIS[^].
Maxwell Chen
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You can not go far in computer programming without encountering math, so obviously any general purpose programming language must support math in a natural and intuitive manner. I can not imagine a better choice in this regard then standard mathematical notation - What they'll find when they look in a text book to find out how to do what needs to be done. i.e.
Something like this:
area = pi*(r^2)
I admit this isn't exactly the standard notation but its close and the mapping is simple and intuitive.
Almost every programming language I'm aware of has the concept of a user defined function: There is nothing from stopping a programmer from hiding some math inside a function with C or C++. Moreover, this name can be meaningful.
Steve
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The Osmosian Order wrote: I'm not sure what your statement is doing
Uhhhh, it is adding 1 to oldval % 10 and assigning the result to val. Anyhow, you wrote the Plain English compiler and you don't understand a simple C/C++/C#/Java style statement like this. This really tells alot...
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The Osmosian Order wrote: which compiler was it you wrote?
Haven't written one and don't care to write one either because I don't see a need to write one unless I am working with some kind of specialized hardware. Also, in your other post you accuse me of jumping to conclusions. I am not, just stating an opinion
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The Osmosian Order wrote: Writing a compiler is a great exercise, if only for its educational value
Only in a Graduate Compilers course I have, but not for real world money making  Oh, and we did use the Dragon book. Saw you knocking it in an earlier post, let's see you write a better book and try to refrain from promoting your Plain English Compiler
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The Osmosian Order wrote: It's always good for developers to keep abreast of new and competing technologies
Rzeppa, you don't even compete with Delphi let alone more modern languages.
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 Actually that was quite a comedic response.
Jokes aside though, your response is as plainly rubbish as your product.
Look here[^] at the popularity of programming languages and you will see that Delphi, although dated, is still very much in use. Can you spot "Plain English" anywhere? No you cant, so they are not competing with you whatsoever nor will they ever have to. Even in Delphi's "twighlight" years they have more users than your excuse for a programming language ever will.
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-- modified at 15:18 Wednesday 17th May, 2006
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Looking through the oppinion vote-wise on this thread alone, the community has spoken really.
Lets not forget that almost every thread you have ever posted on this forum has been voted down.
Can I make a suggestion to you, (and this is based upon a fair amount of research on your product bar actually using it, its syntax, and other products with a similar "goal") market this to smart kids, market it to schools and colleges, market it to the non-professional home programmer (I know many people who would LOVE to be able to program an app without "all that gobbledegook that you write"), market it to the home user who wants to build their own contact management app - even market it as a scripting language that can be embedded into applications for extensibility.
But for god's sake, stop trying to market it to professional programmers. Your "manifesto" shows that you live in la-la land.
Secondly, and this may surprise you, we don't generally make the decisions on which programming language to use commercially. We get paid to program X in Y language and we do it. Many programmers choose their language for hobbyist or "pet" projects - and if its this market you're after then look at Ruby as an example - does this sugar-coat the candy? NO does it provide functionality that some more commercial languages dont? YES
Thirdly, programmers have been burnt time and again by langauges making not dissimilar claims to you. Im sure you've looked at the histories of COBOL and VB with the associated gripes programmers had. Im sure you've even tried to not fall into the same traps, but either way you have an uphill battle trying to convince us. The fact is, languages targetted at professional developers are getting more terse, not more verbose like PE.
You get voted down not because of your product, nor your ability, but because of your attitude and arrogance. Stop and listen, even YOU may learn something.
Finally, if after reading all my responses to your posts you still think you can convince me how wonderous Plain English is, you can contact ME and ask ME to evaluate it.
I will gladly write an article for CodeProject about my experience - but be aware that I will not sugar coat anything. If its bad I will say so, and if its good I will too - I'll attempt to forgo all bias, except that for the reasons stated above you are going to have an uphill battle. Some how, I doubt ill hear from you.
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-- modified at 6:35 Thursday 18th May, 2006
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The Osmosian Order wrote: I'm not sure how you want me to contact you directly
This site allows you to send me an email, if you are unable to even find how then it says volumes about your technical abilities.
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Thats pretty much what I thought you'd say.
If you wont spend a little of YOUR time trying to attract me, a commercial developer of a little under 10 years, even with the premise of some free publicity, then your marketing skills have let down any good work your programming fingers may or may not have done.
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I dont want fancy pictures, I dont want to be added to your automated mailer by sending a mail to your email address.
All I want is a simple message from you Dan Rzeppa. You sound like you are trying to "sign me up" to something with you "send a request to help@osmosian.com"
On the subject of my review, I will do it when I have time which may take a few weeks as I work for a living!
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The Osmosian Order wrote: the address that CodeProject sends me with each notification of a new post from you the right place
Yes, it will route its way to me, with the required spam filters in place. I had BETTER not end up on any mailers with it though!
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J4amieC wrote: for god's sake, stop trying to market it to professional programmers.
Yes, us professional programmers prefer professional programming languages and tools. No offense, but the PE (Plain English) is not anywheres close to professional. There are no screen shots, no download forms, no online documentation to view ( MSDN has a whole reference section for the .NET Framework ), etc. Providing online whitepapers and the other items I have mention might help and they are what I look for when investigating a new programming language.
PJC
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