|
Onkar Singh wrote:
Broader skill-set people are more suitable for maintainence stuff.
Not true. I am a jack of all and master of none and if you so much as mention maintenance I start looking for an exit.
However my broader skill-set makes for a very good consultant and systems analyst. I agree that for actual coding I would rather have a focused hard core oke who thinks in binary, but for consulting work and analysis and design you need someone who has a bigger picture understanding and knows enough about a wide range of tech to recommend or not.
p.s. focused hard core programmers often hit a glass ceiling while less focused programmers carry on getting promoted. After all the higher positions in a company are not about focus, they are about the bigger picture.
regards,
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South Africa
The greatest thing you'll ever learn is just to love, and to be loved in return - Moulin Rouge
Tim Smith wrote:
Over here in the third world of humor (a.k.a. BBC America),
peterchen wrote:
We should petition microsoft to a "target=_Paul" attribute.
|
|
|
|
|
I agree, Paul. I am a Jack of all trades, but I do consider myself a moderate-master of C++/MFC.
I think many people think of programmers as just coders. (Hmm... a good question for the lounge.) That is far from the truth. There is a place for coders, but coders do have a glass-ceiling of sorts.
|
|
|
|
|
Paul Watson wrote:
However my broader skill-set makes for a very good consultant and systems analyst
Now once you analyse a system and propose a solution who is going to implement that? The implementation becomes shaky if the Programmer knows only tid-bits.
And I believe you need more people for implementation than analysis. If all of them have "Broad" skillset the project is definitly sitting on a time Bomb.
Good day.
Onkar Singh
|
|
|
|
|
Onkar Singh wrote:
Now once you analyse a system and propose a solution who is going to implement that? The implementation becomes shaky if the Programmer knows only tid-bits.
And I believe you need more people for implementation than analysis. If all of them have "Broad" skillset the project is definitly sitting on a time Bomb.
Onkar not for a second did I say we do not need hard core focused coders.
I was simply challenging your statement that "jack of all trades" programmers are only good for maintenance.
Believe me I know all about implementation of my specifications, and each new specification I write is better than the last thanks to feedback on the implementation of the previous one.
I would not want a jack of all trades doing the focused algorithm coding or database design for the implementation of my specs. I would want a SQL boffin or a hard core maths guy.
Giving focused jobs to unfocused people leads to problems. Hence why I am in a non-focused position, with the big picture in mind.
regards,
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South Africa
The greatest thing you'll ever learn is just to love, and to be loved in return - Moulin Rouge
Tim Smith wrote:
Over here in the third world of humor (a.k.a. BBC America),
peterchen wrote:
We should petition microsoft to a "target=_Paul" attribute.
|
|
|
|
|
Definitely we need people of all species.
I know that people with broader skill set get more exposure, more reputation and above all more money.
Paul, You must be a rich guy. 
Give me some tips too. 
|
|
|
|
|
I am 26 today and I do not think that my age has hurt me at all, but defintely know that experience counts.
I have seven years of development experience, and I live in Salt Lake City. I have been looking for a job for about 8 months. In this depressed economy I have made it to the final cut a couple of ooportunities, but developers with 15+ years of experience have beat me out. So it is really the experience that counts.
I do guess that age comes with experience though.
Build a man a fire, and he will be warm for a day
Light a man on fire, and he will be warm for the rest of his life!
|
|
|
|
|
|
Colin Davies wrote:
Maybe that should be "experience comes with age"
In life maybe...
It is not a guarentee when you are talking about a skill like computer programming. However, it is a guarentee that you will get older the more experience that you get.
Colin Davies wrote:
kilowatt wrote:
ooportunities,
Was that intentional
Object-oriented programming ortunities, no it was not intentional
Build a man a fire, and he will be warm for a day
Light a man on fire, and he will be warm for the rest of his life!
|
|
|
|
|
Happy birthday Paul!!
cheers,
Chris Maunder
|
|
|
|
|
Thanks!
Build a man a fire, and he will be warm for a day
Light a man on fire, and he will be warm for the rest of his life!
|
|
|
|
|
My late Happy Birthday
Cheers,
Joao Vaz
A person who is nice to you, but rude to the waiter, is not a nice person - Natalie Portman (Padme/Amidala of Star Wars)
|
|
|
|
|
I voted that it would be harder for people over 40 to get a job. If this is true than what am I doing wrong since I am only 22 and fairly skilled? I admit that I haven't been looking quite as hard as I probably should, but I need to find a job soon. (I live in Silicon Valley if anyone knows of an opening)
-Jack
To an optimist the glass is half full.
To a pessimist the glass is half empty.
To a programmer the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.
|
|
|
|
|
Jack
It's amazed me that a programmer as good as you finds it hard to get a job. That's why I feel pessimistic of my own chances of landing up a good job abroad 
Nish
Regards,
Nish
Native CPian.
Born and brought up on CP.
With the CP blood in him.
|
|
|
|
|
I have an idea. You put an advertisement in your sig trying to get me a job. With all the posting you do it is sure to reach someone in a Bay Area management position. Then once I get hired I'll try to talk them into sponsoring you.
-Jack
To an optimist the glass is half full.
To a pessimist the glass is half empty.
To a programmer the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.
|
|
|
|
|
Great idea, Jack!
Jack Handy wrote:
Then once I get hired I'll try to talk them into sponsoring you.
At half your rate?
|
|
|
|
|
Roger Wright wrote:
At half your rate?
Triple!
Nish
Regards,
Nish
Native CPian.
Born and brought up on CP.
With the CP blood in him.
|
|
|
|
|
You should try marketing, Jack
guns don't kill people. cars do.
|
|
|
|
|
Like, Nish I think its weird a coder as awesome as you isn't working.
My guess is after the dotCom crash your area got hit badly, and there are a lot of unemployed coders.
I really think the global economy is changing and hot employment spots like Silicon Valley will become a thing of the past.
Best of luck and don't use the 'f' block on yourself.
Regardz
Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
More about me
|
|
|
|
|
Colin Davies wrote:
don't use the 'f' block on yourself
Hehehe. Mike Dunn did that once
I couldn't stop laughing for a few minutes
Nish
Regards,
Nish
Native CPian.
Born and brought up on CP.
With the CP blood in him.
|
|
|
|
|
Yeah, thanks for not telling me what F did until after that game was over. 
--Mike--
Just released - RightClick-Encrypt - Adds fast & easy file encryption to Explorer
Like the Google toolbar? Then check out UltraBar, with more features & customizable search engines!
My really out-of-date homepage
Sonork - 100.10414 AcidHelm
|
|
|
|
|
Michael Dunn wrote:
Yeah, thanks for not telling me what F did until after that game was over.
Regards,
Nish
Native CPian.
Born and brought up on CP.
With the CP blood in him.
|
|
|
|
|
I think that there will still be hot employment spots, because you get a high concentration of talent in areas like that. And when the market is saturated like this, companies can sit and wait for months to find the perfect candidate. When in the past year or so these companies were happy to be able to find anyone.
Build a man a fire, and he will be warm for a day
Light a man on fire, and he will be warm for the rest of his life!
|
|
|
|
|
Colin Davies wrote:
Like, Nish I think its weird a coder as awesome as you isn't working.
Well thanks for the support guys.
Colin Davies wrote:
Best of luck and don't use the 'f' block on yourself.
Unless you are already flipped and want to flip back.
-Jack
To an optimist the glass is half full.
To a pessimist the glass is half empty.
To a programmer the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.
|
|
|
|
|
welcome to the new economy.
-c
ABSURDITY:
A statement or belief manifestly inconsistent with one's own opinion.
|
|
|
|
General 
News 
Suggestion 
Question 
Bug 
Answer 
Joke 
Praise 
Rant 
Admin 
Submit an article or tip
