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I totally agree! If you hate Microsoft go with Sun or Mac.
Deeply integrated applications will become standard, so, if you are deploying your product to a Vista platform, you should rely that the search facility is there and you can execute it from within your app.
On the second hand, allowing competitors to deploy their own packages should be permitted.
Make it simple, as simple as possible, but not simpler.
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I do search maybe once in a year, so i turned all indexing in background off  and really, don't care if there MS code, that will index, or Google code. I don't use search ^^
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ok, all this indexing stuff just got me tired, so i make one by my self (indexing app), it took about two and half hours to index all my files, and using a simple Jet database I use it every time i need to find something, but updates has to be done manually, but it is a little compare to what the other indexing application does to the performance of the system.
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Galito wrote: but it is a little compare to what the other indexing application does to the performance of the system.
Not had any performance issues with Copernic.
Kevin
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If you do not need to run a CPU eating indexing service for just refreshing every bit of data changed on your local disks, it might be a better solution to use such an app which updates its database manually. I someday developed a simple CD/DVD indexing application for my personal use [source can be downloaded from http://code.google.com/p/cdsnapshot/downloads/list], it is simple and has some bugs, but I use it regularly and it is enough for me.
Using your idea I think I can change it so that it can index local hard drives too and if I do this, it might be a great fast-find-app for myself.
-- modified at 0:59 Wednesday 27th June, 2007
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Galito wrote: simple Jet database
Indegenous stuff?
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Whether this is a good idea or not depends on the way it's done. I see two basic possibilities:
1. Replace the UI or UI implementation:
Google could be allowed to replace the Explorer's search field with their own. Alternatively, Microsoft could provide interfaces that Google could implement, which would be called by the Explorer when the user wants to trigger a search.
But this would only allow to use two different backends for the UI. If an application tried to use Microsoft's desktop search API, it would still get Microsoft's implementation.
2. Allow 3rd parties to implement Microsoft's desktop search interfaces:
In this scenario, other companies could implement the COM interfaces that Microsoft defined for the desktop search. If any application tries to use the desktop search, it will then get the currently 'active' implementation.
In my opinion, scenario 1 is acceptable. Scenario 2, however, is completely unacceptable, since differences in the behaviour of two different implementations are guaranteed. This would lead to 'bugs' in applications which are hard to track down; software vendors would have to test with many different implementations, which would increase development costs.
- Rolf
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I guess I don't know was the best answer for me.
The reason for this is that I disable this crap as it never works the way I want and it for the most part gets in my way. A few months ago I accidentally agreed to add Microsoft desktop search to my XP install as part of an Office upgrade thinking it would fix the horribly broken built in XP pro search. This was a huge mistake as now the default search only works if the folder is indexed. I do not want it to spend time churning through and indexing all my network connections so my search has became even more of a pain to use. I tried Google desktop about 1 year ago and uninstalled it after about a week as it took way too much of my system resources. You would think a dual processor machine with 2GB of memory would be enough to search for my files...
I now find myself using cygwin find and grep to search my files as it is much less painful.
John
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John M. Drescher wrote: I guess I don't know was the best answer for me.
That was exactly how I felt! In fact, I clicked on yes, then realized I don't really care but "yes" would have been the choice in principle, but I ended up clicking I don't care.
Marc
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I don't know about MS and Google on XP, but I've been using Copernic for well over a year and have experienced no resource problems and I only have 1 Gb memory.
Kevin
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I agree too and not using desktop search crap. I tried msn, google and others sometime ago and found them eating my system resources and making huge index files. I don't think desktop search technology will be useful until we get 10 GHz CPU, 4 GB/s disk access, 4 or more GB RAM. Till then it's waste of time.
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The desktop search agent must be driven by user preferences. As long as the specificiations are tangible and system security cum data integrity is not compromised, that search agent should be allowed with out any hurdles.
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Yes, it should be allowed. It needs to be secure and clear to the user though to prevent spyware.
My reason for wanting this feature is that desktop search is largely useless to me. I don't store anything permanent on my local computer anymore. All my code, documents, email, music, video, photographs etc. is stored in repositories that are elsewhere; on the LAN, on the internet, on internet connected HDs at home etc. No one provider (not Google, not Microsoft, not anyone) does a good job of searching across all these systems. Google does the best job so far though as it allows for plugins to its desktop search system.
It must be secure though and computer manufacturers had better not go installing their own, probably crap, desktop search on new PCs.
regards,
Paul Watson
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I agree. Google Desktop Search seems to be efficient without burdening the CPU. 
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I don't care if they allow third parties to replace desktop search. It works fine for me so I'm sticking with it. The last thing I want is more crap in my system.
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote: The last thing I want is more crap in my system.
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote: The last thing I want is more crap in my system.
Well, i agree completely. Heck, that's one reason why i'm not using Vista... *bada-boom!*
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Shog9 wrote: Well, i agree completely. Heck, that's one reason why i'm not using Vista...
Actually, Vista's really quite good. And because so much crap doesn't run on it yet my system runs really nicely at the moment. I was, however, disappointed to find that Adobe Acrobat runs on it.
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote: Actually, Vista's really quite good.
I was... mostly joking. 
Colin Angus Mackay wrote: And because so much crap doesn't run on it yet my system runs really nicely at the moment.
Well, there's where the joke bites down hard. See, by far the worst software i'll allow to be installed on any of my systems are the hardware drivers, and of these, drivers for HP products are consistently the worst. So yes, the test install of Vista on my desktop is considerably less crap-infested than usual, but at the expense of not being able to use the HP scanner. And the Vista laptop my wife uses only recently became able to print to the network-shared HP printer... at which point, it began to suffer the sorts of subtle problems that generally accompany software that talks to HP drivers (random crashes mostly).
So yeah, that aspect won't last. 
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Isn't that the danged truth?
I'm still using XP, and still do all my searches the old-fashioned way. I never install any of those third-party toolbars or search products, even if they're by Google. I prefer to use Windows search for my PC file system and Google or Yahoo (through their homepages) for web searches.
All in all it's just one fewer installed program I have to manage; I'm just too lazy to keep everything running at the latest version. 
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Sentinel_13 wrote: I'm still using XP, and still do all my searches the old-fashioned way
Since installing Copernic desktop search I almost never do searches the old-fashioned way. It's just far too slow.
Sentinel_13 wrote: I never install any of those third-party toolbars or search products, even if they're by Google
The only toolbar I use is Google, simply because the extra features of the toolbar are (for me) invaluable.
Sentinel_13 wrote: I'm just too lazy to keep everything running at the latest version
The Google toolbar auto-updates so your laziness doesn't matter.
Kevin
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The question is whether you should have a choice to use a 3rd party search provider, not that you MUST allow 3rd party software onto your system
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I know I voted yes. But at the end of the day I don't really care since I run Debian/GNU.
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I know Google is phoning home lately, so I don't think it's a good idea to have google search through my data. And for the rest, Windows Search works, so why should I use a different search engine?
WM.
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WillemM wrote: I know Google is phoning home lately
You mean like the way Windows Media Player does?
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