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Take a look around the site at the articles and the forums. This site is dedicated to developing software.
The reaction you got was because you made the basic mistake of not posting your question in the right forum, which is a big no-no (as you found out). Things became heated because somebody else jumped into the thread to try and criticise members for pointing this out - those of us that he tried to have a go at have been members of this site for a very long time, some are even MVPs, and we are a pretty tight crowd, so things got ugly quickly. Still, when all is said and done, welcome aboard and I hope that this little incident doesn't put you off one of the most vibrant places on the web.
Oh, if you are ever unsure of posting etiquette on the site, this[^] might help.
Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.
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People come here looking for information, if you have the knowledge just give people it.
Freedom is the right to say that 2+2=5 if this is so everything else will follow.
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So, following your logic, the forums should just be a free for all. They are purposely divided so that people with appropriate skills can help without needing to wade through mountains of irrelevant topics.
Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.
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Give over
Freedom is the right to say that 2+2=5 if this is so everything else will follow.
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Nope - the forums have a particular etiquette, and this should be followed by ALL users. See the very first topic in this[^] article.
Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.
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So you would deny someone an answer because they are in the wrong forum? Thats pathetic, it's because of people like you that people like me can't find their answers. Give the guy a break it's not like he wants to break the firewall to look up porn!
Freedom is the right to say that 2+2=5 if this is so everything else will follow.
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MicealG wrote: So you would deny someone an answer because they are in the wrong forum?
I would. I would tell people what forum they should use, and look to answer it there. We have more than one forum for questions precisely so that people can go to the right forum, for their own good as much as anything ( people who ask standard C++ questions in the C++/CLI forum, for example, have far fewer people look at their question, which doesn't help them get an answer ). Where the question is totally out of scope for the site, I'd try to suggest another site, unless the question was 'how do I break into my school', then I'd accept that I can't know why someone wants to do something illegal, and plain not help them do it.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
"I am working on a project that will convert a FORTRAN code to corresponding C++ code.I am not aware of FORTRAN syntax" ( spotted in the C++/CLI forum )
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Nope - it's because of people like you that you can't find the answers. The whole point about posting into the right forum is that it helps you get answers, and it helps others to find answers to questions that have already been answered.
An analogy - you are in the supermarket and want to buy some ice cream. Would you rather that the staff just chucked all of the goods out onto the floor, or do you prefer to be able to look in an aisle that contains frozen desserts? Don't get huffy because we have standards on the boards.
Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.
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MicealG wrote: it's because of people like you that people like me can't find their answers
Get over youself. Everyone answering questions here does so in their free time and owes you nothing.
I whacked a few searches into google for UPNP and timeout and got thousands upon thousands of results. The top 5 or so (as always) looked useful even if some did refer to the CE framework. I didnt bother replying to your stupid offer of money  as moost people find a reply of STFW rude!
Now don't go telling us how to format a response to an irrelvant question. Those of us who replied do so to hundreds of these stupid questions monthly. We also help the ones who ask decent intelligent questions and are patient and friendly.
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You know I starting reading the posts you both sent but got bored.
Freedom is the right to say that 2+2=5 if this is so everything else will follow.
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MicealG wrote: You know I starting reading the posts you both sent but got bored.
Child.
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MicealG wrote: it's because of people like you that people like me can't find their answers.
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MicealG wrote: So you would deny someone an answer because they are in the wrong forum? Thats pathetic, it's because of people like you that people like me can't find their answers.
So, should a shop dedicated to selling computer games start selling milk because someone demands it? No, the person who needs the milk would be directed to the supermarket at the other end of the mall.
Should I whine and complain to Prof. Stephen Hawking if I can't find anything about chocolate cake in a book about quantum mechanics?
MicealG wrote: Give the guy a break
He's been told where to go to get his answer. Just like the guy who wants to buy milk in the computer game shop.
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MicealG wrote: it's because of people like you that people like me can't find their answers.
That has FAR more to do with your own abilities than it does our own motiviations for not answering.
MicealG wrote: Give the guy a break it's not like he wants to break the firewall to look up porn!
What did he say that lead you to believe that? You have absolutely no idea what he's going to do when/if he gets around the firewall.
Besides, unless the IP address of the machine he's using is routable on the open 'Net, it's impossible for him to "get around" the firewall.
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I'm sorry but a Firewall is there for a reason. If you are having problems then you need to speak to the infrastructure administrators to see about them opening ports for you.
Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.
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You could try the loop back address which is http://127.0.0.1/, this will allow you to connect to the router setup page but there will be more than likely username and password security on it, the default for most hardware is username:admin and password:password, but if the networks administrator has any common sense it will be changed. None the less, it's worth a try.
Freedom is the right to say that 2+2=5 if this is so everything else will follow.
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Congratulations, if this works, you've helped this guy hack into his school. Do you really think that's wise ?
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
"I am working on a project that will convert a FORTRAN code to corresponding C++ code.I am not aware of FORTRAN syntax" ( spotted in the C++/CLI forum )
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Yawn
Freedom is the right to say that 2+2=5 if this is so everything else will follow.
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MicealG wrote: You could try the loop back address which is http://127.0.0.1/, this will allow you to connect to the router setup page
Really? Do you really think that "the firewall" is installed on every workstation at the school?
Do you really think that the "router setup page" would be that accessible??
You're thinking in terms of home networking, not in corporate infrastructures.
MicealG wrote: None the less, it's worth a try.
And in some cases, even an attempt at this is enough to get you booted out of school/a job.
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I certainly know who I'm getting networking lessons from in the future!
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I wasn't 100% sure that this was the right board to post this question in but my application is going to be in C# so thought this was the best fit. I am creating a simple lightweight app that I intend to use to keep track of the bugs I find in my bigger projects. I am a newish developer and I want to learn a bit of C# and thought this would be a useful (to me at anyrate) app to have and a good learning tool.
Now I was intending just to attach an access database to the program to store each bug record. As its just for personal use and its only supposed to be a a small utility I thought this would be safe and easiest to do without having to bother with downloading and installing a mysql database and all the rest of that kind of hassle, plus I can just take a copy of the database onto which ever machine I go to and the computer with the database server running on doesn't need to be always on. I don't do much database programming and so can't see that it is worth the effort on my part. However a friend of mine has poo-pooed the idea and is on at me now about how stupid an idea it is to use access as its 'not a real database' and I should be using mysql or at the very least sqlexpress. I am fairly ok at SQL having used it for a number of jobs and would have no probs using it as part of the application if I thought it was neccassary, but I just don't think it is...what does anyone else think? Should I just bite the bullet and download mysql or is using access 'babyish' and 'not worthy of a developer' as my friend puts it? was actually a little offended by his attitude tbh and wish I hadn't told him what I was doing but c'est la vie!
Cheers
Cads
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SQL Server Express is a better choice than MySQL, IMO, because C# has classes to take advantage of it's features.
Having said that, I'd agree that Access is a good choice for a single user application, for exactly the reasons you stated. I'd never use it, simply because any machine I use has SS2005 installed on it. But, if I was in your shoes, I'd consider it the 'right tool for the job', as you've said. Your friend sounds like an elitist snob. Access is still alive because it does indeed fit in some situations.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
"I am working on a project that will convert a FORTRAN code to corresponding C++ code.I am not aware of FORTRAN syntax" ( spotted in the C++/CLI forum )
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I think you need to ditch your friend for being unhelpful. As Christian has pointed out, Access is perfectly fine for tasks like this - more importantly, you can upgrade to SQL Server from it as and when you decide you need to.
Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.
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Thats what I thought, when I was planning it out. He got all snippy about the idea tho 
Its for me alone anyway so I guess I shouldn't really care whether he approves or not anyway!
Cheers Guys
Cads
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For all the reason Cristian said - you go ahead and make whatever decision you feel happy with - this is after all just a learning excercise for you!
However, consider this; Say you start using your bugtracking app as single user with an access database installed right there with the application itself, and somebody else wants to be able to add/edit/view bugs. Now do you:
a) Install him as another single-user with its own database. Beraing in mind you now have 2 databases filled with bugs. (Add another imaginary 100 users... it starts getting very fragmented)
b) Rewrite the app to use a centralised database and install both users (plus the 100 more) on the new app.
Anyway, im just pointing out some things to think about. As a learning exercise you might want to look into "Data Abstraction" which basically means that you build your app to be database agnostic and when the time comes to upscale from Access to SQLServer or SQLExpress or Oracle or whatever its as simple as a reconfiguration (rather than a recode).
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