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Ok - PART of it is part of the os. It doesn't mean however, that it is a flaw in the OS (I do know there are flaws - and I am NOT an MS fanboy) - it is working as intended, just some poor decision making as to how 64bit unsigned drivers will work (though I can understand their want for better security).
Most complaints about it I've heard/read though are all about the software side of 64bit, and don't mention the above hardware issue.
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Kurt Harriger wrote: MS has allowed use of unsigned drivers on Vista 32 but refused to allow them in Vista 64. This means drivers that would otherwise be useable do not work in Vista.
Kurt Harriger wrote: After installed Vista 64 I couldn't install VMWare because the drivers weren't signed.
That's complete BS. Just the other day I installed VMWare on my Vista Ultimate x64 machine. The drivers were not signed, and Vista asked me what I want to do, cancel installation or permit VMWare to install drivers. And all is fine.
The point is, you just might be doing something incorrectly.
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VMWare workstation supports vista but not the free vmware server. It has been several months since I last attempted. But I'm not the only one that's had this problem.
http://communities.vmware.com/thread/104125[^]
- Kurt
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Ah, sorry about that. Missed the "server" part. 
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Codeproject has clearly voted no and that's strong considering we're a MS oriented site. So, MS are going to redraw the product and go back to the drawing board, right?
They can hardly ignore the power of a internet based survey.
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Why should they start listening to people now?
djj
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They ought to. They are expected to listen to the grievances of millions of users and they are obliged to provide a best user experience. Vista claims to provide a superior user experience but there seemed to be so much of hiccups that cloud it like anything. It would be great if Vista Team could address these to provide a more better and robust product.
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You're nuts. MS doesn't listen to its developers. We're relegated to the trash heap. MS only listens to the myopic ideas of large corporations.
MS Word is DONE. Nothing new is needed for 99% of its users, but it changes the file format anyway, and then puts in some bobble for high end corporation users.
Borland listened to its developers and exploded past MS early on. Then they lost their way.
MS for a few years, listened to us. But now, we are nothing to them. There is no support nor respect for people in the trenches doing the work that supports the OS.
REVOLT! I CALL. Let us RIDE through the streets calling all programmers to arms. Mwhahahaaa
Seriously, MS has to figure out where the money comes from. The largest profit are the corporate installs of thousands of computers. MS gets 100% profit from those companies, but we only buy a couple of copies of their products for our development. Who would you listen to.
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I like vista a lot actually for all the small things they added/changed. But I had to say no because a lot of games run like *** on vista64. Too bad ms can't even do a thing about that problem.
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StijnDP wrote: But I had to say no because a lot of games run like *** on vista64
Interesting the ones I've tried (although it hasn't been exhaustive) run flawlessly on Vista x64 Ultimate. The only one I had trouble with was SA-MP (San Andreas Multiplayer), running the server, but solved that by running it as an administrator (obvious really since it had to launch other programs / connections).
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Half-life 2, Portal, Team fortress 2, episode one, ...
Crysis demo is also very bad. I have to run settings on high and no AA @ 1920x1200 while I know I have a lot more power in my machine.
Shutting down Aero everytime I want to play helps a magnificent amount.
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StijnDP wrote: Shutting down Aero everytime I want to play helps a magnificent amount.
You _do_ realize aero turns itself of when you start a fullscreen directx application, right?
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In most games yes but I can't help it if some are bugged, _right_?
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I have to say, after using Vista at work for a few weeks now, I appreciate the difference and clarity in text rendering across all applications. There's a noticeable difference between Vista and XP on that front... if you're using IE 7 on XP and like the clarity of text, imagine that for all your apps and you've got Vista.
Again - only comparing Vista to XP here.
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Mike Ellison wrote: I have to say, after using Vista at work for a few weeks now, I appreciate the difference and clarity in text rendering across all applications.
Then you should've switched to Macs years ago. And they still do it better btw. 
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Yup! I knew I'd get this response - that's why I made a point to state my comparison was just with XP.
I cut my Pascal/C/C++ programming chops on macs back in the 80's. I'll always have a soft spot for them. But as long as my bread & butter requires PC's, I'm there to stay.
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Mike Ellison wrote: Yup! I knew I'd get this response - that's why I made a point to state my comparison was just with XP.
Well, at least I didn't let you down. 
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Vista, in my humble opinion is not as good as XP from a GUI perspective for one major reason.......I WANT MY OLD WINDOWS EXPLORER BACK....(OK rant over)
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Doesn't the task bar properties allow you toggle to the default start menu?
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When you can do a standard install of Vista 64 bit without pulling DIMM's from your machine and get drivers for common things like printers, scanners, microphones, etc ... then maybe I'll like it. With all the spiffy virtualization stuff going on, I'll never understand why MS didn't just create a little virtual XP box to run old drivers (printer and the like, not video) in ... perhaps in SP8 
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That's what VMWare do 
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It came on my new ASUS G1S and works just fine.
In my opinion, the first thing you have to do is disable UAC.
After that you won't be bothered anymore about having to give explicit permissions to do almost anything.
This UAC thing is something Linux has since... ever and I never heard anyone complain about it like most are about the same thing on Vista.
The OS sure is pretty, things come easy, the Start Search functionality is very productive, multi-monitor suport works great, games work as expected (good), I don't have a single updated application I can't run because it's Vista...
Sure there are old applications that won't run but that also happened with XP... no bit deal... it's evolution!
Memory usage... yeah, it starts with 1Gb in use... ok, no big deal... I have 2Gb.
Then I open 3 instances of VS2005 and they just pop on screen, no delays.
The memory just doesn't grow like on XP... it stays flat on a normal usage. So what I can conclude is that the memory management is more efficient. If we have 2Gb available should the OS try to use the less as possible or use as much as possible to improve performance?
I believe that if you have the machine to support it it's the best OS out there.
Sure it have its problems... after all it's software!! 
If you don't have a machine for it stick with XP... mature OS, lots of fixes, SP3 coming soon... just please... please... don't spend your precious memory and CPU trying to make it look like Vista and then say your better off with that XP metamorphose than with Vista!... please... 
Cheers,
AlexCode
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AlexCode wrote: In my opinion, the first thing you have to do is disable UAC.
After that you won't be bothered anymore
But the problem I found was that in doing this some applications simply no longer worked. For instance I use PolarTrainer to download data from my bike computer and with UAC on I get all sorts of warnings but it worked. With UAC off I got no warnings but the application simply doesn't work. No warnings, no errors, no crashes. It's there, it's trying to do stuff, but nothing gets saved, no data is displayed, and it looks sad and confused.
Driver support for me was the killer that forced me back to XP.
cheers,
Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
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Chris Maunder wrote: With UAC off I got no warnings but the application simply doesn't work.
this is also one of the great issues of Vista. And one of my peeves about the software industry. Again I heard the complaints before at various times, not necessarily related to Vista. But I hear the cautions "do not use dual core" "do not use Vista" as a developer how can any of us hope to make something "WORK" for our customers if we never use new technologies? One reason I am OS agnostic is because my customer base needs choices. I recognize this, and adapt because my job is not just about what I want, but also what my customers want. If one customer installs Vista, I'll have a 3rd machine or a multi-boot on an existing machine in days. I'm already gearing up for this, one reason I don't mind helping others with Vista because *I* get more experience in Vista to benefit my own customers. Sure there will be issues with my software on Vista, that means *I* have to fix my software. Actually there may be fewer than most because most of those were fixed for the high-security settings of RedHat and XP. I have fixed several software issues with other software programs for Vista, I just haven't tried my own software since Beta2. If I get any of my new contracts I already have plans to get Vista in both 32/64 versions to work on both sets of issues. If I do not, then I leave my customers the same way you have been left. Failure to run the software under Vista is my problem and mine alone. Like it or not, Vista is here, that isn't apologetic, it is just a fact of life. It's here, but if the programmers don't support multi-core, no software will support multi-core, the same with Vista or any other new technology. The main person we fail is ourselves and our customers. I run multiple OS's mainly to support myself and my own personal use, and work use for customer support. When the technology is ready to move both into one, fine no problem, by then there will be a new technology I will have to support.
If I don't support it as a programmer? then who will? Last time I checked programs don't write themselves outside of Hollywood. If we don't write it, how can we complain that someone else didn't?
I am not saying die for your own customers, like I said, I run multiple OS's for my benefit as well as their's. It's not that difficult these days, at least not for programmers.
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Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau.
Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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Vista doesn't have the same support or capabilities that XP does. When that happens, then it will be good.
GrizMan
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