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I am a big fan of virtualization, but sometimes it just does not work. At my previous job, gdb would sometimes completelly freeze the VM. Eventually, I got a separate machine for Linux.
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I'm completely with you. I wasn't claiming virtualization was the answer to everything. I'll get another machine long before I ever contemplate a multi-boot setup, however. I've gone through enough upgrades at this point that I've build more machines than I currently need.
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I agree to an extent. It's hard to justify buying a new box for testing games or other hardware intensive apps for different OS's with the same hardware spec though. Say a game or other app needs to tested to run on a specific hardware set for 3 different OS's. It's impractical for any company or individual (that is not generating some immediate revenue) to say that it's more cost-efficient to save 3 minutes time lost from a reboot to reproduce a 2000$ gaming rig. In fact, it would be more practical in some cases, to have two versions of the same OS installed on one machine(each with a different vid card and driver set that it has been configured for) as long as you have relatively quick access to the guts of it), but that's all relative to your number of employess/salaries/budget. That said, i do most(if not all) of my managed development on a xp virt. machine in VPC 2007, but if I need some real hardware access and performance I'll reboot, although I do have more than one pc on a kvm if i really need to do something important in the 1-3 minute timeframe that it takes to reboot.
DrewG, MCSD .Net
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for me virtualization is everything - I hate if I have to shut down my laptop.
btw, intel's new processors support virtualization - and on dell machines, by default virtualization support is off. have to turn it on from bios setup
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These days i tend to use Kubuntu as my primary OS and I have a VM that runs XP perfectly well inside it. Unfortunately some GFX card features that are used by the latest game engines haven't been ported to Cedega yet so if I want to play DirectX games with all the features working I have to reboot in an XP partition, I guess i should be glad that none of the games I play requires directx10 yet. This setup does have a great advantage that while I'm working at home I don't skive off for 10 mins playing computer games.
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1 Debian 4 (The best choice so far)
1 win xp (for my vb.net appz)
1 win 2003 server (for asp.net development)
1 ubuntu (to run them all in a vm 
If i could run asp.net and win apps in debian out of the box , i would be the happiest man in the world!
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I still find that having separate boxes with different OS's is the best option. Currently 3-Vista, XP, and some web server flavor.
Marc
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But that would be rather costly investment of real estate, time, effort of management, energy to run around to over see the systems and cost of software right?
Vasudevan Deepak Kumar
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Vasudevan Deepak K wrote: But that would be rather costly investment of real estate, time, effort of management, energy to run around to over see the systems and cost of software right?
Client provides most of the machines, one's a laptop, I typically only use one at a time anyways so the others are off, the 3 LCD monitors run off solar, I have a large desk, and the cost of software is nil because of my MSDN subscription.
Contrast that with the cost, in time, of setting up a VM and the time consumed because of lower performance. The benefit of a VM is that it can be restored to a known state, which is good for testing, not, as I interpreted the question to imply, for development.
Marc
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I'm like that, only I do keep a library of ready installed VMs. They make EXCELLENT demo utilities. You have something pre-recorded, install what you need and ship to the client. But I agree, nothing beats having a dedicated box.
"Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning." - Rick Cook
"There is no wealth like knowledge, no poverty like ignorance." Ali ibn Abi Talib
"Animadvertistine, ubicumque stes, fumum recta in faciem ferri?"
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Yar.
One for Windows XP, one for OpenVMS.
But if my employer wanted to get me an Itanium system I might be able to run both on it. (Nah, I prefer the Alpha.) 
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I voted that I am using 1 operating system at work. Because Vista does not count as an *operating system*. 
Nobody can give you wiser advice than yourself. - Cicero
.·´¯`·->Rajesh<-·´¯`·.
Codeproject.com: Visual C++ MVP
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I half disagree on the Vista thing.
It is a system. A huge bloaty system.
However, I do agree that it's not operating.
"Computer Science is no more about computers than astronomy is about telescopes." - Edsger Dijkstra
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Look. The half-assed one voting creatures are out. You can't say your opinion loudly. If you do, they'll vote you 1. However, there are only 2 or 3 of them. 
Nobody can give you wiser advice than yourself. - Cicero
.·´¯`·->Rajesh<-·´¯`·.
Codeproject.com: Visual C++ MVP
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Why do you care what people will vote?
Are you giving your opinion . . . or theirs?
Same concept for trolls: ignore them. Then they'll go away.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"How do you find out if you're unwanted if everyone you try to ask tells you to go away?" - Balboos HaGadol
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Rajesh R Subramanian wrote: Because Vista does not count as an *operating system*.
I guess I am the only one here who likes Vista Just love this "Start Search" box.
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Yes, Vista is worth buying for its "Start Search" box. This wonderful little search option outweighs all the other nuisances of this shiny unfinished bloatware operating system. It boots fast on my dual core machine with 4gb of physical memory. Amazing, isn't it? 
And finally, does it really matter if I like Vista or not? I am asked at gun-point to build software that would run on Vista. Because I am a developer, and I need to secure my job.
Nobody can give you wiser advice than yourself. - Cicero
.·´¯`·->Rajesh<-·´¯`·.
Codeproject.com: Visual C++ MVP
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Rajesh R Subramanian wrote: "Start Search" box
Seconded & thirded
Rajesh R Subramanian wrote: bloatware operating
Come on, with the price of hard drives now-adays does it really matter, I mean even here in the UK you can pick up 500GB sub £40. Plus the added bloat is for me worth the price for the speed with which Vista installs.
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Right, Windows is just a GUI on top of DOS... but why can't I get it to boot to the command line like it used to do...? I really dislike waiting for it to get all the way up just so I can open a DOS box to get some work done. 
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Not anymore!
Although versions 1-4 actually ran on top of DOS, as of version 5.0 (Windows ME and 2000) the DOS core was completely removed from Windows.
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i got 1 powerful Dell Precision 650 and 5 virtual machines but tall running WinXP
void izmoto(char* szKwazi);
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My main development PC is Windows XP, but I also use virtualization for Multi-OS support. Also, Microsoft has started releasing VPC images for major beta releases of tools and servers.
It is a lot nicer to delete a VPC image than uninstall something that doesn't uninstall well!
Dale Thompson
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izmoto wrote: all running WinXP
One for each day of the work week?
"For fifty bucks I'd put my face in their soup and blow." - George Costanza
CP article: SmartPager - a Flickr-style pager control with go-to-page popup layer.
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Seriously, kinda a poorly worded question. But I guess it does allow to see how many different OS'es people use.
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Have Win Vista Home Premium (soon to be WinXP Pro SP2) on bare metal. Everything else in virtual machines, using my favorite: VMWare Workstation.
Windows XP (use it a lot for testing potentially-malicious software: Snapshot undoes damage in one step; also development machine, as my old apps tend to work without tweaking. i also have to run office 2003 in this, since won't install on vista)
Fedora 8 & OpenSUSE 10 (for Unix/Linux development and testing)
Potentially Coming Soon, after current project, for testing and probably temporary:
EnGard Enterprise Linux (the supposedly super-secure one)
CentOS (heard a lot, but it's web site isn't informative)
OpenBSD (still one of most secure)
FreeBSD (for testing)
QNX - best real-time OS out there
MontaVista Linux - second best? we'll see
SkyOS or MorphOS - saw video of 15s load time. amazing for quick chores. must try it.
Yellow Dog Linux - it is the one on PS3's. will need to be familiar with it.
NetWare - ok, just kidding... (I would just be asking to be hacked )
Later. Hope someone saw something they may like to try in the list. It won't be a silver bullet though: like werewolves, they don't exist. (skin conditions dont count...)
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