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Because in my personal opinion, if one enjoys his work so much, he tends to give most of his time to it and if someone does not enjoy it, he has to get joy from outer sources, one source can be being more social .
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I know what you mean on that! When I had a job that I was unhappy in, I would try anything to feel more enjoyment out of life (Within reason).
Now I am a developer, I am content at last and socialising isnt something I crave.
And no, I dont spend every waking hour on Facebook either
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We tend not to waste time on non-essential chit-chat and small talk (no, that's not a dig at Smalltalk); some may see that as anti-social.
We tend to speak our minds truthfully and not sugar-coat our opinions (e.g. "That idea is stupid!"); some may see that as anti-social.
If we don't have anything nice to say, we tend to say nothing (just like our mamas taught us); some may see that as anti-social.
Because computers behave the same way, we get along with them rather well. Some may say that our interaction with computers has warped us to behave the way they do, but I disagree -- I had these tendancies long before I started talking to computers.
I'd like to know what people like us did before the advent of computers; did we talk to livestock?
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they watched star trek until decided to invent computer themselfs peace & serenity
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and all systems are working in normal parameters! and it rocks! peace & serenity
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Wow. It's like you know me!
/ravi
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i've met plenty of chatty, programmers. plenty of lying programmers. plenty of bitchy, two-faced, deceitful programmers, too.
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define 'social'? peace & serenity
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radioman.lt wrote: define 'social'
Definition on wiki as follows -
"The term Social refers to a characteristic of living organisms (humans in particular, though biologists also apply the term to populations of other animals). It always refers to the interaction of organisms with other organisms and to their collective co-existence, irrespective of whether they are aware of it or not, and irrespective of whether the interaction is voluntary or involuntary."
Me, I'm dishonest. And a dishonest man you can always trust to be dishonest. Honestly. It's the honest ones you want to watch out for...
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downcasting to interaction:
"Interaction is a kind of action that occurs as two or more objects have an effect upon one another. The idea of a two-way effect is essential in the concept of interaction, as opposed to a one-way causal effect. A closely related term is interconnectivity, which deals with the interactions of interactions within systems: combinations of many simple interactions can lead to surprising emergent phenomena. Interaction has different tailored meanings in various sciences. All systems are related and interdependent. Every action has a consequence.
Casual examples of interaction outside of science include:
communication of any sort, for example two or more people talking to each other, or communication among groups, organisations, nations or states: trade, migration, foreign relations, transportation,
the feedback during the operation of machines such as a computer or tool, for example the interaction between a driver and the position of his or her car on the road: by steering the driver influences this position, by observation this information returns to the driver."
i've got it: it's Two-Way binding ;D peace & serenity
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See - we've just socialized.
Me, I'm dishonest. And a dishonest man you can always trust to be dishonest. Honestly. It's the honest ones you want to watch out for...
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the codeproject.com is the great proof of that! a big field for interactions peace & serenity
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We developers are just as sociable as anyone else. But all that analytical thinking sharpens the brain, and it is very hard to talk to people who refuse to use reason, so I don't bother if it can be avoided.
I'm OK talking to people about things they know about, like gardening, or house building, or whatever. I have learned to talk to mothers about their children as though I cared. I can even ask men how many horsepower their cars have. As a matter of fact I even remember how many HP mine has, though for me the answer is either enough/not enough.
I have also learned how to chat to "girls". They don't want to have their problems solved, they just want sympathy. I seem to have missed out on the "girlie" phase.
How do I talk to my sister who is keen on politics and believes everything they write in the paper? If I laugh she is offended. I call my Mum and we talk about the Telegraph cryptic crossword. It works for us.------------------<;,><-------------------
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RedSonja wrote: I have also learned how to chat to "girls". They don't want to have their problems solved, they just want sympathy.
Title of next week's survey: "Do Girls Want Sympathy or Their Problems Solved":
- They want you to agree with their every action.
- They just want you to understand their point of view.
- They want some sort of constructive feedback.
- They would like your help to solve their problems.
- They would like you to solve their problems.
- They would like you to solve their problems before they become problems.
- They don't give a damn what you think!
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Then we need one for "the boys". All these things will keep him occupied for 30 min without any further input from you (you can carry on coding while he talks):
- ask how his football/handball/hockey team did
- did he got his motorbike mended
- details of planned new car
- suggest he buys clothes that aren't black
- preferred beer brand (very serious in Germany)
When you get to my age you can expand the list:
- did the worker come and mend his roof/plumbing/electrics
- details of new car
- how are his useless children doing in college
- preferred wine region
- how's the divorce going
A neighbour got divorced lately without me noticing. I deduced it from someone telling me he had seen him with the new girlfriend. ? So I called his sister about something else and asked how he was doing, and got the whole story. This is a guy I see every week at band practice. OK I am a nerd.------------------<;,><-------------------
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Amen sister! FULL-ACK
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No, they not bad, their code badder, their documentation baddest
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Xiangyang Liu 刘向阳 wrote: documentation
What is that?Me, I'm dishonest. And a dishonest man you can always trust to be dishonest. Honestly. It's the honest ones you want to watch out for...
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Frankly, I feel ashamed to be one after that performance, and I certainly wouldn't want to socialize with him.
Marc
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Not Likely - developers spend more time on social networking / chat programs than probably anyone else.
Me, I'm dishonest. And a dishonest man you can always trust to be dishonest. Honestly. It's the honest ones you want to watch out for...
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modified on Wednesday, February 17, 2010 7:54 AM
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The whole question is false in its basic assumption - that developers can be lumped as a group as relates to their social habits. I know a couple of developers who border on psychopathically anti-social - and a few (myself included) who are social to nearly the opposite extremity. The majority, of course, fall in the range between the two extremes: while I haven't done a controlled study, I would put money that such a study would reflect a standard bell curve pretty well. It is true that some of the more anti-social developers get the "press", simply because they are outside the bell - the unusual gets noticed.
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DragonsRightWing wrote: developers get the "press", simply because they are outside the bell - the unusual gets noticed.
Sounds like a reasonable explanation.Me, I'm dishonest. And a dishonest man you can always trust to be dishonest. Honestly. It's the honest ones you want to watch out for...
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Yeah virtually, but not in real! I beg to differ.
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Where I earn my vegetables, I.T. is know for the best holiday parties on the site, bar none!
There's a flow of people through the place and everyone* ranges from normal to downright laquacious. The technological loner types? A creation of the movies and TV.
Women know these guys aim-to-please and posesses adequate brain-power to succeed.*
*I sometimes think that all they really want is to have my babies . . .
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
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