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not beacuse they are not as good as I am, but because they don't want to be.
I totally agree. This was one of my major reasons for leaving corporate and team development efforts and becoming a consultant. Actually, this was one of the reasons for dropping out of college too. Everything nowadays seems to be oriented toward the lowest common denominator, and I'm sick of it. It's a blessing when I find someone that actually WANTS to improve themselves, regardless of whether it's coding or just plain living.
Marc
Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
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You know, there's a person like you at my work.... he THINKS he's above average but is not, I've seen his code and designs... it's his attidude that makes me want to leave everyday... he says the same things... "I need a better environment to thrive... " blah, blah , wah, wah... if you're so good than why hasn't your "greatness" spread amongst the others?
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vetroxl wrote:
if you're so good than why hasn't your "greatness" spread amongst the others?
You missed a key point in his statement:
it pisses me off. not beacuse they are not as good as I am, but because they don't want to be.
That says a lot as to why greatness will not spread.
Build a man a fire, and he will be warm for a day
Light a man on fire, and he will be warm for the rest of his life!
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vetroxl wrote:
if you're so good than why hasn't your "greatness" spread amongst the others?
well, mainly because the buisness environment is not encouraging people to take risks, and to invebt time in doing thing better is a risk.
Besides, I am doing my best to pull my co-workers "up" by giving lectures on advanced topics (how to do ADO.NET, just a bit more than the smaples...)
Besta Regards
Noam
Noam Ben Haim
Web Developer
Intel
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I know what you mean to a certain extent. I like working with talented developers because I learn from them. Up until my last job I have had the most experience out of any of my co-workers and usually learned from books and websites.
At my last job there was a diverse range of developers with lots of experience each. I was able to hold my own on the topics that I knew the most about, but my knowledge grew quickly on things like socket and multithreaded programming because of having more experienced people around.
Not having experienced developers does make me want to leave. Because I like to help other people improve their skills as well. However when people dont care about self-improvement that is another thing.
Have you ever met any developers that like to read non-work related books during business hours ???
Build a man a fire, and he will be warm for a day
Light a man on fire, and he will be warm for the rest of his life!
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Im above adverage and i want to be even MORE ABOVE lol. I am motivated to wanting to be the best of the best of the best of the best of the best personally id find it irrtating as well if everyone else did not feel the same.
- LiquidKnight
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..but learning quickly.
My opinions may have changed, but not the fact that I am right.
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jhwurmbach wrote:
..but learning quickly.
Well done dude. 
Cheers and best of luck. ![Rose | [Rose]](https://codeproject.global.ssl.fastly.net/script/Forums/Images/rose.gif)
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Rohit Sinha
Character is like a tree, and reputation like its shadow. The shadow is what we think of it; the tree is the real thing.
- Abraham Lincoln
The whole world steps aside for the man who knows where he is going.
- Anonymous
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Me too mate.. I read half the stuff on CP and I don't understand much.. will get there in the end...
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It depends on the topic. While IMHO I am above average in GUI development (programming  ), there are areas where others are better than me. Therefore I cannot give a general statement and answer to this poll 
Regards
Thomas
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it depends also on eval parameters.
I can produce the same quality software than others in less time and with better docs... User can say that I'm at same level (on their perspective), but I'm not (and I hope I'll paid better for this).
Always remember differences from professional programmers (that must take in account costs) and others.
Bye
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Your ability as a developer doens't depend on how well you are at a given technology - but rather how you approach the discipline itself.
cheers,
Chris Maunder
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Thomas Freudenberg wrote:
While IMHO I am above average in GUI development (programming ),
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My guess:
Just about all of us are "way above average" because we know the virtues of Code Project and frequent it often 
Build a man a fire, and he will be warm for a day
Light a man on fire, and he will be warm for the rest of his life!
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Paul Watt wrote:
the virtues of Code Project and frequent it often
I was born intelligent
Education ruined me!.
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I am "way above average" here, but probably just average in the whole industry.
I assumed the poll was refering to general development skills (problem solving etc.) and not specific technologies. But even "general development skills" is a complex issue which I am sure has many variables of which I am better in some than others.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South Africa
Roger Wright wrote:
Using a feather is kinky; using the whole chicken is perverted!
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I'm above average in terms of the people I work with. Industry-wide, I'd say I'm way above average, considering some of the code I see and deal with from third party partners.
Unlike you, however, I'm a piss-poor driver, considering I just wrecked my Miata a week ago  . I haven't heard from the insurance adjuster yet, but it's probably totalled  .
Software Zen: delete this;
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Gary Wheeler wrote:
Unlike you, however, I'm a piss-poor driver, considering I just wrecked my Miata a week ago . I haven't heard from the insurance adjuster yet, but it's probably totalled
Damn, I hope not. Be pushy with the guys who tell you it is a write off ok? I pranged my car awhile back and the insurance guy wanted to write it off. I had a look and laughed, it was not that bad, it just would have been cheaper for insurance to pay me off and ditch the car (car parts for cheap cars are expensive in relation to the price of the vehicle.) So I forced them to fix the car and it is still going strong.
And what makes you a bad driver?
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South Africa
Roger Wright wrote:
Using a feather is kinky; using the whole chicken is perverted!
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I spun the car out on essentially dry pavement and smacked the nose on a bridge abutment. There may have been some 'black ice'. If I were a better driver, it's the kind of situation I could have probably steered out of, or at least minimized the damage. The one reassuring thing was that the police officer who wrote up the accident didn't cite me.
If I end up repairing the car (it's iffy at the moment), I'm thinking about looking for one of those driver training courses where they teach emergency responses. I've seen some that teach defensive driving skills similar to what the cops use. I can't help but think that, even though I remained calm throughout the incident, I made mistakes in how I handled the car .
Software Zen: delete this;
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But Paul, all South Africans are damned good drivers!
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"All things I needed for Programming I learnt on Codeproject"
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[edit]Sorry to everyone, I was simply locked in a different context. Bad timing for a slippery mind. [/edit]
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peterchen wrote:
never put all your project managers into one shuttle.
Man, that is way inappropriate.
Software Zen: delete this;
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Don't you like you PM's?
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My project managers are just as bad as anyone else's. I just didn't like your line about the shuttle.
Software Zen: delete this;
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:ouch:
I'm very sorry, I didn't think of that the very moment.
(I thought of an old "Everything I know I learnt at Star Trek" poster..)
I'll delete the post. Bad timing for a slippery mind.
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