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No, I think this is still a bit mistaken. When you use "svn cp" you are always creating a "link" in that it doesn't actually duplicate everything and considers the new copy's history to go back and include the original copy's history prior to where they branched apart. If you use the operating system to copy something in the working directory, absolutely, what you're discussing will be the case. You will have simply (as var as SVN knows) just done an "add" to what appears to be some new files. But using "svn cp" creates a copy/branch/tag. And the web page you reference doesn't actually ever back up your claim of their being any difference between pointing the "svn cp" at something local or directly at the repository. In fact, http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.4/svn.branchmerge.using.html#svn.branchmerge.using.create[^] directly says otherwise: "From the repository's point of view, there's really no difference between these two methods."
The whole SVN repository structure from root to tip is really just one giant directory tree. That may seem odd, but it is true. You can check out or commit at any level. There are good reasons in practice to check out at the level of a particular branch and also commit at that same level, but you could theoretically have a working copy of the entire repository and use that instead.
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I give up. I'm used to the TSVN documentation which doesn't have a copy command: it only uses a branch command that only works on the repository. Problem solved...
There still remain the facts that
1. the way svn copy was used here resulted in an actual copied file rather than a link.
2. I still don't know why the svn copy command listed here doesn't even work on my SVN 1.6 client. I went through each step twice to be sure I exactly reproduced the same steps, but the error message remains. Apparently it does work on the SVN 1.7 client, and I'm too lazy to install that version, so I'm willing to assign this problem to a different cause.
But that still doesn't explain that:
3. if I follow the commands provided in the documentation of V 1.7 (copying URLs in the repository rather than directories of a working copy), I end up with only one file, which is the expected result.
If the recommended steps in the documentation yield the expected result, but the steps from the outdated documentation does not, what is your conclusion?
At this point I am no longer sure if the SVN documentation is accurate or not, or if it fails to point out specific subtleties about recent changes in the svn copy command. I normally only go by the documentation of TSVN which is a much easier read and always delivered the expected results.
Or maybe we uncovered a bug in SVN. The only thing we didn't investigate so far, which may be part of this problem, is the fact that the file rename happened before the "branch" was committed to the repository. I know for a fact that SVN 1.4 had severe trouble keeping track of both structural (directory / rename) changes and file changes at the same time. The TSVN 1.4 documentation made a point to always commit a move (or multiple moves) atomically, and not mix them up with preexisting changes. I. e. all local changes should be committed before the move.
Maybe SVN still has some trouble with that scenario: copying inside the repository (the now recommended practice) implicitely commits the new branch, so that could explain why this variant doesn't have to cope with the problem of keeping track of changes applied to an already moved file.
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Yes, TSVN does make things easier.
Given that all the commands in the original scenario were issued from inside the right subdirectories (committing from the wrong level in the hierarchy also can have unexpected results if you want to be able to see history or merge things properly, which is probably why your workflow involving completely separate checkouts is to be preferred), my inclination is to agree with you and say the cause of this almost certainly has to do with the fact that the move happened before the file being moved was committed in the first place. A move is equivalent (according to the docs) to a copy and a delete, but if you're deleting something whose addition was never committed in the first place, maybe it somehow winds up skipping the delete, which results in two files being present once you do an update. I would personally tend to think this is actually incorrect behavior, but maybe whoever designed it has a good reason for that. It definitely is something that could very easily surprise users, even long-time users who failed to remember all the actions they took in a single batch prior to committing, so it is easier not to do things this way. As you say, when you do a copy directly from and to the repository, the commit happens implicitly as part of the execution of the command, and then you don't have to worry about it.
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For what its worth I found an old installation of the SVN command line client installed on my system (version 1.6.*something*) and tried to reproduce your results. I got to the cp command, and there I got an error message:
C:\Users\Public\Documents\Entwicklung\Projekte\Sandbox\test_svn_3_1_6\trunk>svn
cp . ../branches/test_branch/
svn: Kann Pfad ».« nicht in sein eigenes Kind »..\branches\test_branch« kopieren
(can not copy path ».« into its own child »..\branches\test_branch«)
While this actually does not come as a surprise to me, it makes me wonder if you did anything in-between that you forgot to mention? I checked the V 1.7 release notes, but couldn't find any indication that the cp command changed, so you should get the same error.
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Are you doing this in the repo, or a working copy checked out from the root of the repo? Because that command works just fine for me...
Although I think the safest command to use is probably
svn cp ^/trunk svn/branches/some-name
because that operates solely on the repository - you then need to svn update your working copy to receive the newly created branch... The ^ character is shorthand for the repository root, so you don't need to type the whole URL.
But.... all of this is more complex than typing hg branch some-name, so that's why I'll take Mercurial 
Java, Basic, who cares - it's all a bunch of tree-hugging hippy cr*p
CodeProject MVP for 2010 - who'd'a thunk it!
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I literally copied the commands you listed (except for the file paths). Also your question shouldn't be necessary: the two arguments were working copy locations*, a repository location must be an URL. I'm not familiar with the syntax you suggested her, using the caret, but if you want to create a branch in the repository, the syntax that worked for me is
svn cp file:///d:/svn-repos/test2/trunk file:///d:/svn-repos/test2/branches/test_branch
* P.S.: You can not directly access the repository directory structure from either the command line or Windows Explorer, nor can you tell SVN to interpret subsequent path arguments as such. That is why "." can only be a working copy location, not a repository location.
Stuart Dootson wrote: But.... all of this is more complex than typing hg branch some-name, so that's why I'll take Mercurial 
And I use [RMB]-Branch from the TSVN context menu. 
modified 26-Apr-13 3:44am.
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P.P.S.: using svn copy on URLs implicitely commits the change whereas the version you used still required a commit. You did perform the move efore the commit, so there is a distinct difference between the command sequence that worked for me and yours. Maybe there is a bug: Older versions of the TSVN documentation specifically pointed out that you should commit all local changes before performing a move, because SVN couldn't keep track of the chronological correct order of either change, and thus could mess up the results. I am not sure whether or not the same holds true, but the fact that you didn't arrive at the expected results seems to indicate it still does!
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Please tell us you are not using the file:/// protocol...
I have been using Subversion of years. I have run into problems but nothing like you describe. And trust me, we get file conflicts all the time.
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The whole point of version control is to prevent developers from overwriting other developers' source code. Subversion is a complete joke and handling branching and merging is a total nightmare. Simple solution: convert over to an intuitive SCM like git. Once you learn it, all the other solutions become stupid and irrelevant. Ask Linus if you don't believe me.
"God gave us two ears and one mouth to remind us we should listen twice as much as we talk." - Author unknown
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Git might be wonderful but intuitive it is not.
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EdReel wrote: intuitive SCM like git
That's an oxymoron if I've ever seen one 
Branches and merging used to be tricky and sometimes painful in older versions of SVN, but since version 1.5 it has improved considerably. If you think it is a nightmare, you haven't looked in the right place or at the right version.
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Did you try having WinMerge as a Merge Tool? That helps resolving quite easily.
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The merge can be really painful, especially when you try to stop it after starting. Suddenly your application can have tons of errors because of the extra lines put into the file by the tool.
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I'm implementing USB firmware in a device we are making.
I asked in THIS PLACE[^] (Design And Architecture) based on guessing what the desired topics are for a given forum.
I'm putting USB capability into the firmware of a device we are making.
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I've also recently been looking at creating USB firmware. What processor are you using, out of curiosity?
Also, I don't think you'll find many people with that sort of knowledge here, your best bet is to look on electronics and embedded systems forums.
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C-P-User-3 wrote: Design And Architecture
That forum is for application design and application architecture.
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It is a well known good practice to use StringBuilders instead of doing many string concatenations. Yet, I got really impressed when I saw a document telling to replace things like this:
private const string SQL =
"SELECT " +
" ID, " +
" NAME, " +
" BIRTHDAY " +
"FROM " +
" TABLE " +
"WHERE " +
" NAME LIKE @PARAM";
By creating the StringBuilder everytime in the method where the SQL was being used. Maybe I am wrong , but I really believe consts aren't doing bad string concatenations all the time.
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Yeah. The compiler should concatenate all of those together when run. So using a stringbuilder everywhere that was used basically shows the person (people?) that wrote the document had no clue as to what they were talking about.
Basically:
BRAINWAVE/1.0
Status-Code: 404
Status-Text: The requested brain could not be found. It may have been deleted or never installed.
So there.
Gryphons Are Awesome! Gryphons Are Awesome!
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I can't find a "Delete brain" button on my head.
Should I remove my ears to find the button?
The quick red ProgramFOX jumps right over the Lazy<Dog>.
modified 19-Apr-13 13:37pm.
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Some of our members use the GinAndTonic() method, which does a delete brain operation as a side effect.
Software Zen: delete this;
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But why would anyone write it like that in the first place??? It's horrible. And let's not even begin to talk about why it should be a stored procedure...
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair.
nils illegitimus carborundum
me, me, me
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Simple... "best practices". 
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I see little reason to not use a parametrized query like that. OK, if it is static enough top define a const, there is a small case against storing all your query code in the binary instead of the more accessible DB server, but not much else of a case.
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It's not the end of the world, certainly; my preference is to keep databasey stuff in the database. It's just neater; besides, all those +++ and line breaks: FUGLY!!!
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair.
nils illegitimus carborundum
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