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wizardzz wrote: A man in a car, that did not witness what happened, immediately started defending the biker.
People reflexively defend the weaker party regardless of whether or not it makes sense.
I pretty much hate all cyclists.
But then I'm not into viewing people's sweaty, spandex laden asses at eye level every time I commute.
Go save the planet on your own time.
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As Herself keeps on reminding me: "You can't run them off the road and over a cliff. Someone will see."
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Some things are worth the LOLs.
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I hate them too... A LOT of them drive like jackasses and then wonder why they get hit. If I had a dollar for every time I've seen someone on a bike run a light...
Exhibit A[^]
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MehGerbil wrote: reflexively
And on the embellishment note, but maintaining non-fictionality, how is it that YOU purportedly know the content of the samaritan's vidi? The logic of you're observation would be ripped to shreds on cross.
That smells of subpoena butterflies. Go get yourself a glass bead and lead window ornament hobby kit. It's time to stick with suckers on the familyroom window some telltale signs of creativity. Maybe a "hate that" spelled out in orange. Or something of dis nature.
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I tried the lead window thing.
I couldn't decide if I wanted the message readable from the inside or the outside.
I gave up in frustration.
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Etcellent Smithers!
Etcellent ...
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MehGerbil wrote: I'm not into viewing people's sweaty, spandex laden asses at eye level every time I commute. Go save the planet on your own time
I'm not saving the planet. I'm exercising my right to use the road, just as you are.
If you're driving so that you can see my ass is sweating you're driving too frigging close!
Software Zen: delete this;
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I do believe this is unresolvable, there are bad/inconsiderate arseholes driving cars and there cyclists who are lunatics, it is an unholy mix and inevitably the cyclist comes out 2nd best. Pumps up the angst of those on both sides, somewhat like religious wars or MS/Apple but with rather more palpable consequences.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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Most cyclists I know do a pretty good job of obeying the traffic laws. I ride defensively, staying to the right of the lane unless I'm making a turn, in which case I take the lane. I signal my turns. I don't run stop signs or lights.
That said, several times a season I find myself in situations with motor vehicles that are caused by over-aggressive or careless drivers. I've been honked at, cursed, and nearly hit more times than I can count. I've been told I had no right to be on the road "since I didn't pay taxes"  . I've been swept into a ditch by a rear-view mirror, when the driver was too busy masturbating her phone to pay attention.
You know what really, really grates? The fact that an intoxicated driver who kills a cyclist typically receives less than a year of prison time as a sentence.
Software Zen: delete this;
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It really isn't the cyclist's fault or driver's fault.
It is ridiculous to place a two ton vehicle on the same path as a 30 lb. vehicle.
This goes back to a poor decision made decades ago to make our cities car friendly but not pedestrian friendly. They really should start moving cars out of the cities altogether - a decades long process - but where we need to go.
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A dashcam is a must, especially if you drive in Russia[^]. 
/ravi
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Yeah
I saw that Sixty Minutes squibb too. Turns out there's only one driver in the entire country and all these videos are the product of his devious behavior.
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I haven't seen the 60 Minutes segment you're referring to. But I'm a huge fan of not driving in Russia, esp. in the winter.
/ravi
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You can drive anywhere at any time. And my tip is 6-penny nails driven through the thickest of the contact patch rubber of the tires on the vehicle of your choosing.
I know snow bunnies who do this. So don't be go'in down that easy slope with all this "not driving" nonesense!
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Dash cam might free you of liability when it captures the right thing... but you'd have to have it on all the time and running plus have multiple viewing angles. Since you were parked, what are the odds your camera would be running?
I guess what I'm getting at is you'll never be able to completely avoid jackasses (or have a camera around)...
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It would have at least caught the last 2 bike incidents. The last one cost me the $500 deductible (new windshield, dent removals). I want a dashcam that keeps rolling if the key is in the ignition, maybe only saves the last 30 minutes? I'm not as concerned with angles, etc, the camera would have documented where I was and that I was stopped when impact occurred. The impact rocked the car both times. In this town, bikers don't follow traffic laws at all, stop lights and signs are completely ignored, I feel like I should take some minor step to give myself an advantage in case of litigation.
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Yeah, they drive like idiots here too... you'd figure with all the accidents they'd have cops start ticketing them for not following the rules of the road.
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Quote: or have a camera around
email Google they probably have it on camera
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start
Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
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Let me comment that I stop at lights, drive the correct direction in the bike lane, and even signal when traffic is an issue so why must cager's speed up to run a stop sign just to intentionally cut me off? Or pass me just to turn in on me to make me slam on the brakes? You think you need a dash cam? Cyclists are equally in need.
Also, as counter, I would feel no pity or remorse if I hit a bicyclist on a sidewalk. (Referring not to me driving on the sidewalk but those idiots that ride a full speed on a sidewalk and then through a crosswalk; esp. against the light)
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Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote: You think you need a dash cam? Cyclists are equally in need.
Then the majority would have to start riding properly.
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Because the car driver is almost invariably at fault, in such cases.
The "I'm in a car, so I'm more important than you! When I break rules, you have to get out of my way! If you don't do things the way I say you should do them, I'll hit you!" fascism runs rampant on the roads.
If you're wrongly berated, in this case, then you've just become an indirect victim of bad drivers.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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I'm 0 for 2 at being at fault as a car driver.
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You'd better get your skates on, then.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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