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Simon_Whale wrote: I haven't really read from anyone here that sits on the fence regarding Apple.
That is because we couldn't give a rats, these type of threads are for those who care!
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
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Where is this fence you speak about? 
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It's in Christian Graus's backyard 
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Simon_Whale wrote: It's in Christian Graus's backyard
Don't you mean on his desktop? 
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Simon_Whale wrote: I haven't really read from anyone here that sits on the fence regarding Apple.
Believe it or not, I am on that fence.
Their hardware is fine (if a bit prissy in presentation and overpriced for its specs), but even the Windows baby-blocks OS is better for phones and tablets, which is probably why iOS7 is moving in that direction.
On pricing, I'm currently awaiting delivery of a second android tab which has better specs (except for the camera and a couple of other things that aren't important to me), and literally costs less than a quarter of the price of my itoy.
It's the branding BS, the prices, and the gotta-do-everything-through-itunes that I take exception to.
If they start to treat their customers with respect, rather than as mindless followers of fashion who can't be trusted with a file system, I might well invest more in their products.
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Mark_Wallace wrote: It's the branding BS, the prices
I read once that an Iphone 5S 64Gb editions costs Apple $219 to make and they sell it for $850
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You can't take everything you read on-line as Gospel, but some things are much easier to believe than others.
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Mark_Wallace wrote: rather than as mindless followers of fashion who can't be trusted with a file
system
Except of course that most consumer users are not IT experts. And they are selling to consumers not IT experts. It would be rather stupid of them to ignore that fact and not make a product that is suited to their actual users.
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OK, I'd to upvote that one.
"Real men drive manual transmission" - Rajesh.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: "Hardware + design + software"?
Don't make me laugh 
The liking of something is a personal thing, either you like it, either not.
With that line, I wanted to emphesize, that (IMHO) there is no other company which has a so unified (hardware + software) "environment" for users and Apple knows this. I'm curious why did you write don't make me laugh?
Before you say anything I don't work for Apple 
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Gergo Bogdan wrote: if you own an Apple product your in the elite
Yes if you buy an iPhone you are so special that there are only 9 million others like you this weekend.
Peter Wasser
Art is making something out of nothing and selling it.
Frank Zappa
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No, 9 millions sold phones does not equal 9 million users. Some phones will still be somewhere in the store, in storage, or still be in gift-wrappings.
..and I'll bet that someone will have tried whether it blends
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: No, 9 millions sold phones does not equal 9 million users. Some phones will
still be somewhere in the store, in storage, or still be in gift-wrappings.
Not really. Most are actually sold to consumers. That is why the pipeline is running out. Some might not be in actual use but it certainly won't be 1 million, so as an approximation "9 million" is good enough.
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 Precisely!
And at least half of them will film videos in portrait mode.
"Science adjusts its views based on what's observed. Faith is the denial of observation, so that belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin
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Actually I wrote: "Apple says, all its products are exclusive, so if you own an Apple product your in the elite"
Maybe Apple puts it this way: from 6+ billion people, being in the ~10 million users of Apple products you must be exlcusive - if you look only at the numbers, they can say that.
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Gergo Bogdan wrote: they can say that
Of course they can - and if you are very gullible you can believe them and pay a huge premium for the illusion.
Peter Wasser
Art is making something out of nothing and selling it.
Frank Zappa
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Apples brand is powerful purely because it is designed to be easy to use - like plug and play it does it for you, good for people on the move. Im not a massive fan of the iOs now though.
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Gergo Bogdan wrote: all its products are exclusive, so if you own an Apple product your in the elite
What they neglect to mention in the marketing is that Jethroe, his sister Bobby-Sue, and all their five chillun' got iphones, too.
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This is on a rather short-term scale. Coca cola will always be coca-cola. In a few years, Apple will be past.
~RaGE();
I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus
Do not feed the troll ! - Common proverb
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Coca Cola is more successful as they already sold the lifestyle...
They just need to keep up appearances and they will keep growing, apple might have surpassed them for now, but a very famous saying states:" That which grows so fast will fall equally as fast"
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Yes, but that's just money.
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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Apple proves that people tend to be sheep, not wolves. I was amazed at the phone store how people immediately went for the overpriced apple. This should end with time since Steve Jobs is not around. Apple will go through hard times again like they did with Scully.
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Invaluable![^]
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Right! I just clicked the 'Share' button to give it visibility on all social newtworks.
Veni, vidi, vici.
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